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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Ocean Going Tugs => : bigford January 12, 2008, 20:55:41

: smit rotterdam
: bigford January 12, 2008, 20:55:41
i always loved the smit rotterdam but i thought it's scale was stupid 1/75
i mean the happy hunter is 1/50  and a nice size tug. well i had a real great idea
i'll buy a smit rott and enlarge it to 1/50 scale

it's been a slow go with work and 3 other boats being built plus a new baby
girl..  ;D
 here is the first pic

she  will be about 52 1/2'' long  and will be useing the running gear for a
happy hunter
: Re: smit rotterdam
: manxman January 12, 2008, 23:44:41
Hi Bigford,

Congratulations - On the arrival of your daughter - best model you'll ever make, though the most expensive.

Curios though as to how your enlarging your Smit. Are all the parts shown outlined on a drawing and your enlarging them on a photocopier ? - or are you photocopying the parts first, then enlarging them ?

Good luck with the build, look forward to more photos.

Cheers - Ken
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: tango January 13, 2008, 02:24:28
Congratulations on the birth of your new baby girl/crew member. I hope she develops the same interest in model building as my girl, Hannah.


PS Look forward to some updates on your build.
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: bigford January 13, 2008, 05:01:12
thanks guy's my older daughter(4) is loving the baby :P
the frame were easy i poped the billings frames out (laser cut)
and sanded off the burnt edges  and traced them  onto white
paper with a fine tip pen.  staples just opened a new store up the
road from me and they have 6 very nice copiers and a blueprint machine.
 i had staples enlarge the tracings 150% and make two copies of each
part. the hard part will be all the other parts as this is a older kit so
everything is printed on the wood.  i'm thinking i'll build the decks
out of wood and the rest out of plastic
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: bigford January 26, 2008, 23:03:14
update all but one frame was enlarged #9 >:(
i started at 9:00 p.m. its now 2:02 a.m.  :P

overall size should be around 52"  ;D
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: bigford January 27, 2008, 21:35:40
side by side rotterdams  ;D
you could fit the small rotter in the hold of the bigger
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: bigford January 28, 2008, 15:00:01

cut the keel today and glued the bow and stern parts
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: bosun January 29, 2008, 02:09:00
Hy Bigford
That is going to be one big boat, looking forward to more pics, great stuff.
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: bigford January 30, 2008, 16:30:15

the deck,hatch and the back wall are all 1/8 ply
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: bosun January 31, 2008, 01:37:31
Hy Bigford
Looking good mate.
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: bigford February 03, 2008, 18:20:57
well after posting on mayhem for a pic of the hatch covers
dickyd came through  ;)
iwas hoping that billings went cheap on detailing and made them plain
BUT thats not the case.  i'll make them able to open
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: garabaldy May 04, 2008, 05:28:19
Hi Bigford,

where did you get the plans from or did you aquire them from a kit?
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: bigford May 04, 2008, 09:28:28
i bought the billings kit  :D
cut out the part sanded them  traced them then enlarged them
 at staples. then went home and did it all over in the new scale
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: tugs53 May 04, 2008, 19:53:38
She's going to be quite the model!!

Well Done Bigford :)
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: bigford May 25, 2008, 09:34:46
update  i dont know how some of you guy work so fast :o
i made the first deck or second deck?? today good fit  :D
i used 1/4'' marine ply for the deck for strenth the main deck
will be 1/8 ply all decking will get a very thin covering of plastic
so she looks like a steel ship not a wooden one :-[
from bow tip to stern a tick over 56''
after talking with a friend about this ship the top deck is also 1/4'' ply
it was pointed out to me the at this size weight savings is pointless ???
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: Footski May 25, 2008, 10:50:00
She is going to be real beauty......just like those daughters of yours. :) :)

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: bigford May 25, 2008, 17:56:38
here is a good size shot. the happy hunter takes up the first two decks
and the banckert will fit on the rear deck :-[
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: tugs53 May 25, 2008, 19:36:16
Holy Moly, you do like them big :)
The big boats are easier to work on, don't you think?
Just hurts the back, something awful, lifting them in and out of the water :)
You've got lots going on in that shop of yours!
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: bigford May 25, 2008, 20:07:02
the banckert is small  ;D my pic of the two hunter with the rotterdam in the middle was like ok she a little bigger ,once the decks went on i was like
wow she gonna be a big ship. and getting heavy too
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: bigford June 01, 2008, 20:02:35
got a little bit more done today  :o

i need to find something to remove the template paper and glue from the wood
or do you think the resin will go through it and work???
it's 3m spray adhesive
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: manxman June 01, 2008, 20:32:05

Hi Bigford,

She's coming along nicely there.
Template removal: apart from boringly sanding them off, If you have a spare section then try using Methylated spirit.  I used to use this in silkscreen printing for removing the wax stencils from the screen, and unlike turpentine (white spirit) it does not leave any residue.  You will need to do just one side at a time as the meths will need to soak.

One piece of advice though - make a test part. stick some paper to 2 pieces of scrap and glue the edges together with the same glue as the model, leave to dry, then try the meths. when done test the joint ! as the meths may have also weakened it.

Good luck and were all eager for more photos
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: bigford June 02, 2008, 14:25:55
planking sucks swamp water  >:(
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: tugs53 June 02, 2008, 16:24:26
Sure look'in good though!!!!
Only 1204 more planks to go!
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: Footski June 02, 2008, 22:59:21
Miscounted there Mike, I make it 1578 left, not counting the double skin >:D

Bigford, Looking great amigo, keep it up but watch those cigs......Don't want to set fire to her you know!!!! ;D
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: bigford June 03, 2008, 14:25:21
not to worry i soaked the wood in lighter fluid to soften it up ;D ;D

i dont know how some of you guys build in wood  :'( i think this will be my
first and LAST  plank on frame boat. next boat will be blue foam and glass ^-^
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: bigford June 07, 2008, 09:51:46
so what is the order?  wood then body filler then sand smooth and
cover in resin and glass? as i'm planking the planks are starting to
step up on me  like this 7   
i'm useing the planks from billings and there is a little bounce between the
frames. i'm afraid the planks will brake as i fill and sand the hull 
what do i do ???????????
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: manxman June 08, 2008, 01:36:08

Hi Bigford,

Have to admit I've never done a plank on frame before, but one suggestion could be glass the inside.  This would fill any gaps between planks-frames and stop any bounce, would also stiffen everything up ready for sanding-filling.  No doubt more seasoned builders will have some better and well tried methods.

Good luck - Ken
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: Footski June 08, 2008, 03:59:12
Hi Bigford,

I have done plenty of plank on frame models. the edges do tend to rise, giving a stepped effect. They do also have a slight bounce to them between the frames. If your planks are thick enough the raised edges are simply sanded flat, when finishing. The bounce should not be a problem. I have double and even triple planked some models. each consecutive layer, strengthens the whole thing.

In your case if you are going to fibreglass the whole lot then I would simply run plenty of pva wood glue into the joints of the planks on the inside of the hull. This will give you enough strength to sand the whole thing smooth, ready for the covering of your choice..

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: bigford June 08, 2008, 05:14:27
i've read that some people use joint compound on the outside to smooth
it over.  at 56'' and 1/4 frames and decks i want to keep it light :-[
 for the glueing i used titebond 2. will the resin sitck to this? billings
instructions ARE very poor
and dont make mention od any of this..

 SO walk me through all the steps to achive a proper smooth watertight hull
i dont want my first pof  ship sinking :o
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: bigford July 08, 2008, 19:27:33
WELL after useing ALL the planks from the billings kit  >:(
they do not give you enough for a 1/50 virson of there kit ;D
4 hobby shops later i still cant find planks that match the billings wood :o
SO!!!!!  i cheated not like your going to see the planks anyhow ;D
here she is so far
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: Footski July 08, 2008, 23:04:47
And darned good she looks too amigo..
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: bigford August 15, 2008, 12:38:16
still waiting for motors shafts and screws, but starting to smooth the hull
for glassing

bulbus bow was made from 3 peices of 1/4 marine ply per side instead of balsa
so when i hit you  :o ;D ;D i still need to make the stern section
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: tugs53 August 16, 2008, 08:41:17
Sure looking good there Bigford!!

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: bigford August 16, 2008, 18:14:29
just a reminder as to why this is taking so long ::)
each part has to be cut out at 1/75 scale sanded shaped
then traced and enlarged 150% to 1/50 scale and cut out sanded and shaped
all over again :o ;D
billings rotterdam and mine
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: Footski August 17, 2008, 00:23:10
Brilliant so far...
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: bigford August 18, 2008, 06:21:09
strange thing happened yesterday :o i went to staples to enlarge some
parts, well  :o i told the gilr to enlarge the parts 150% and she did
well it looked like she made the parts 350%  :o :o  now i know for the
hull and first deck i copyed everything at 150%  but now i'm wondering
if i made a mistake
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: tugs53 August 18, 2008, 07:13:42
Are you sure she didn't enlarge your enlargements?
That's happened to me once or twice.
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: bigford August 31, 2008, 19:07:30
work is so slow on this ship with cutting the 1/75 parts then sanding
then enlargeing them to 1/50 :D
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: Footski August 31, 2008, 22:53:08
It may be slow, but I reckon she is going to be a cracker.......Just look at all that lovely wood......Not a plastic strip in sight 8) 8)
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: tugs53 September 01, 2008, 08:31:25
Can see Lot's of progress there bigford!
The 'big one's' are fun, aren't they!
Big wood, big parts, and big 'cuts' on the fingers and hands!
I keep a box of 'Band-Aids' handy, at my bench!!

Looks Awesome!!
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: bigford September 01, 2008, 09:29:29
my scroll saw blade went dull on one of the parts and
splintered the wood :o ........ well the splinter went  into
my knuckle underside  >:( :( :( >:( a few four letter words
and a new blade :D
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: bigford September 14, 2008, 20:56:07
the bulbous bow was bugging me it looked off to me
so i set up my circlur saw with laser and

i'm not as off as i thought  :D
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: catengineman September 14, 2008, 23:18:35
bigford, Put that saw down its a great build YOU dont need to cut it up MAN your doing great ;)
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: Tug...Kenny September 15, 2008, 02:22:29
Looks smashing, Bigford.

The original builders didn't have a laser.  ;)

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: bigford September 27, 2008, 00:23:52
WELL its about time...........
 i get a phone call today  my korts,props and motors
made there way over from germany :o :o 3 months :(
the props are 60mm rivabo brass 4 blade and happy hunter
the props are on the smit hunter
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: Footski September 27, 2008, 01:47:20
 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Let the fun begin...
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: bigford September 27, 2008, 07:01:43
the happy hunter has grooves molded in the hull where the korts
and rudder post go  :) i wish this did >:( :(
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: bigford September 28, 2008, 18:25:11
well there almost there
i had to cut LARGE holes to let everything hang loose
now i patch up the holes
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: Footski September 28, 2008, 22:43:26
That really is going to be a cracker....
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: Navy2000 September 29, 2008, 16:28:22
Hi Bigford

BY chance do you have a copy of the enlarge drawings/ templates that you are useing to share with others? I think that I would like to build a model of this in 1/48 scale here in the US.

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: Sudbury II December 17, 2011, 16:17:19
Bigford....where did you go??

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2496/smitrotterdamvbiemanshy2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/101/smitrotterdamvbiemanshy2.jpg/)

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: bigford May 07, 2017, 15:34:12
9.5 years to plank a hull has to be some kind of record!
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w671/bigford550/20170507_191315_zpsvzmfmuqg.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/bigford550/media/20170507_191315_zpsvzmfmuqg.jpg.html)
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: bigford May 09, 2017, 13:52:40
Took her outside to blow off the dust
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w671/bigford550/20170509_174523_zpssy9yvrt8.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/bigford550/media/20170509_174523_zpssy9yvrt8.jpg.html)
: Re: smit rotterdam
: Batfish March 20, 2018, 09:34:59
Hi Bigford,

Any updates on the Rotterdam build??
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: VANYA March 20, 2018, 22:23:31
Other member might have noted that there is a Smit London listed on Ebay.uk for restoration.

Looks an Ok build with two decapherm motors of the like.

If I could I would put a bit in but the collections a little difficult from here.

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: Batfish March 21, 2018, 12:52:21

That looks like Billings smit Nederland 1/75 Scale.
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: VANYA March 21, 2018, 23:47:18
I expect most of them are Billings kitset builds. Wonder how many Billings made? Thousands I expect.

Well they are pretty well all gone now, no Smit Rotterdams, Londons or New Yorks.

Great vessels.

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: Batfish March 22, 2018, 03:19:46
Donít forget the Singapore
Slightly more bollard pull than the two sister ships
And with Anchor handling ability too.

I guess if they had been multipurpose vessels
Like todayís AHT then know doubt they would still be operational.
But Alas they where not.

They where True Ocean Going and salvage Tugs
Built specifically for the task.
A piece of Maritime history
True Legends.