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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Ocean Going Tugs => : tugs53 April 16, 2009, 19:15:11

: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 April 16, 2009, 19:15:11
Do we have any members who have built a model of one of these beauties?? 8) 8)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II April 16, 2009, 21:18:29
Hey tugs53
...as you know, I always wanted to get the kit,.............. if it was'nt such an expensive build!...well, for me anyway :-[

Maybe some day ;)

Best Regards
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 April 16, 2009, 21:42:26
One came up on ebay last summer...on a "buy it now" listing, but it was gone the second day.

I 'almost' bid the $600.00...but hesitated, knowing the work involved with that molding.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: longbike April 16, 2009, 23:40:48
Yes I have built one for a client, You probly have seen it on Harbors Models web site under the photos section.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Footski April 17, 2009, 00:55:03
Yes I have built one for a client, You probly have seen it on Harbors Models web site under the photos section.

A real beauty she looks too. welcome to the madhouse Longbike. I look forward to seeing more of your amazing work :) :) :)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: ray28507 April 17, 2009, 11:38:36
i would like to have build one  but looks like ive missed the boat ;) they have stoped making them now  i belive???    regards ray
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Model Tug Man April 23, 2009, 08:59:56
Looks like Harbor Models is having their Invader mold repaired and will offer this kit again soon. It is supposed to be 1/32nd.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: der kapitan April 23, 2009, 11:24:29
Looks like Harbor Models is having their Invader mold repaired and will offer this kit again soon. It os supposed to be 1/32nd.

How soon? That's one BIG tug---.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 April 23, 2009, 17:01:38
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs087.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org) der kapitan

Soon I hope, as it's a great looking tug!!

Welcome Aboard the Model Tug Forum :) :) :)

Have you built some model tugs, or are you about to???
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Model Tug Man April 24, 2009, 04:12:14
Looks like Harbor Models is having their Invader mold repaired and will offer this kit again soon. It os supposed to be 1/32nd.

How soon? That's one BIG tug---.

They are in negotiations. No guarantees that it will happen, but something to hope for.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: der kapitan April 25, 2009, 12:52:48
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs087.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org) der kapitan

Soon I hope, as it's a great looking tug!!

Welcome Aboard the Model Tug Forum :) :) :)

Have you built some model tugs, or are you about to???
Yes, Tugs53, I have built quite a few tugs over the years, many of which I sold, but I still
have and regularly operate a few that I've kept.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 May 31, 2011, 16:17:27
Found these two pictures on the net, nicely illustrating the bussiness parts of these tugs.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: keith July 20, 2011, 21:30:06
Been away from this site for too long. I have one of the Ron B hulls started ( cut, shaft housings  all installed along with deck beams), rudders in and the basic housing done. Like a couple of other models, need to really get back on this one as it was started 10 years ago. Need to get the props, shafts, and motors installed to get myself ambitious to work on her. BTW, building the Hunter.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: ray28507 July 20, 2011, 22:27:11
hi  keith  looking  forward to your build  :)  i like the look of the hunter  would like to build one  'but a bit big for me'

 please dont forget to post  some photos of your build  ;)
regards ray
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Model Tug Man July 21, 2011, 03:24:20
The Hunter is a great looking tug with lots of power. Looking forward to your build.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 July 24, 2011, 08:26:07
Yes...please keep us up to speed Keith.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 04, 2011, 11:43:12
Another picture of one of these brutes ;D  ;D
Konabish photo credit.
Keith:  How goes your build?????

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hNA1X08Rcwo/SgzeTbm7gcI/AAAAAAAAByU/oY1YvHHKpHc/s912/P1000551.JPG
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 04, 2011, 21:37:03
I'm interrested with this model and I'm close to order it from Harbor model but when I compare picture of real Invader and pictures of the model from Harbor Models http://www.harbormodels.com/site08/info_pages/harbor_models/Invader_info.htm
I have a strange impression with the size of the wheelhouse comapred to the rest of the ship or maybe only with the size of the windows.

Another thing is about the rudders, here http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1209800  there is only two instead of three on pictures of the real tug.

Somebody have information about this class of tug.  As I'm far from this class of ship I'm looking for informations and details pictures or a nice internet link about it

Michel   
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 05, 2011, 10:15:15
Hoping Keith will get back to you as he's been on these boats and knows them very well.

Suds
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 05, 2011, 11:23:30
Thank you Suds. This class of tug is my favorite one as "classic tug" and it could be a great project to built one at 1/32 scale. Bult I will do it only if I have correct informations and pictures to stay close to reality. I cross my finger.

Michel 
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 06, 2011, 08:55:15
This is a start.

See attachment for a PDF spec sheet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M24jTekqvNk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQ75CjPvVo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVezJEeO82s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkUuCPbnd4s
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 06, 2011, 11:07:28
Thanks Suds  ;D

I've made a e-mail request to Harbor Models for price of kit + shipping but no answer till now  :'(

Michel
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: ray28507 December 06, 2011, 14:12:53
good find suds  cool  ;D  make's me want to build one now! ::) regards ray
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 07, 2011, 06:53:20
humm tell me if you have better luck than me with answer from Harbor Models  :-\

Michel
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: mike_victoriabc December 07, 2011, 10:24:39
Hi Michel
I think there may be another source for a hull and info - I'll see if I can find that for you. Other than a hull you should be fine locating the other parts in your part of the world.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 07, 2011, 10:37:13
Hi Mike

Thank's a lot if you can help me ! 

Michel
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 07, 2011, 15:07:27
I've received an answer from Harbor Model


I apologize for the delay in response, we have been out of power due to a massive wind storm for 5 days.

Unfortunately, shipping fees to Europe for that size box have become etremely expensive.

It would cost you approximately $900-$1100 to ship the Invader Kit to France.

If you are still interested I can get a more exact quote.

Please advise.

Sincerely,

Nick Jacalone

It's a pity as the cost of shipping is more than the price of kit, by the way I'm surprised with the price of shipping, somebody have experience for this kind of shipping !!

I've seen for example that some US or Canadian received hull like the Pacific supply ship from Germany, is that the same price for shipping ?  

Michel
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: keith December 07, 2011, 22:37:49
Another picture of one of these brutes ;D  ;D
Konabish photo credit.
Keith:  How goes your build?????
Not much work on this one in a while as been too busy with other things like work. Get back onto this in 2012!!
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: keith December 07, 2011, 22:54:50
bourricot
The model on Harbor Models web site is close. All these tugs , like many others, always had some slight differences. Not all of them have the 8000 shp. several of the first generations only had 5000shp. The windows do seem small compared to the overal size of the real vessel, but is correct. the pilot house is just slightly higher then the captains cabin behind it. they have a lot of aft deck and sit pretty low in the water.
Rudders depend on what vessel and what year if one makes a model. The original version is tripple rudder. On some of these like acouple that worked up in Valdez Alaska, they either removed the center rudder or welded it in place and made it a skeg as it were. This according to a couple of the captains I have talked to made the tugs more manuverable and easier to handle. My model of the Hunter will have the tripple rudders and they are installed.
There are different house setups as well depending on the boat and where it worked. 3 of them working in Alaska used to have high tower fire fighting stations on borad to help fight a fire on a super tanker. This would create a modified aft housing around the winch and some seriouse large piping work for the monitors. A couple of the tugs also had slightly smaller winches that fit under the deck overhang in the rear of the house while others had a slightly larger winch that that had it sit about 4 feet aft and put it out into the open more.
fendering is also subjective to the indevidual tug. Most have rubber fenders then different size tires mounted fromthe hull over that. A couple only had the fendering and no tires.
Hope this helps a bit. Most of my older photos were gained from seeing these tugs out in Anacortes including the Hunter, one that I got to know very well and get onto many a time thanks to the captains and crews intrest in the model.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 December 10, 2011, 09:01:20
What a beauty huh??

This photo courtesy of  Northwest RC Ship Modelers
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 10, 2011, 12:27:12
Thanks for this picture, Then I've checked the site  http://www.shipmodelers.com/shipmodelers.com/Club_Welcome.html

I've seen a surprise for me with a model of the Centurion. I came aboard of this ship when I was young boy around 1977 at Toulon South of France on Mediteranean sea. She was brand new and largest tug I've never seen at that time. 

Now with internet I made a search of Centurion pics and did not find one !  Even Marine Traffic don't now this ship  :'(

On Northwest RC Ship Modelers I've seen one Centurion  ;D

(http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/12/10/111210093052431060.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

And my picture of her 34 years ago !

(http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/12/10/111210093539561867.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

Michel
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 16, 2011, 12:54:07
Hello

As I continue searching Invader class picture on the internet I find via Google this picture. The best I find for underwater side !

(http://nsa27.casimages.com/img/2011/12/16/111216085602730787.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

In French we say le chien se mord la queue  The dog bites his own tail : with my search I'm back to forum tug

Tug53 could you please send me this picture prior the name and Crowley was hidden for the game  ?  Have some other so interrresting pictures of her on dry dock ?

Other people here have pictures ? especialy details pictures for the winch area and fore deck.

Thank's in advance  

PS Tug53 on your Reply #30 the Gladiator model looks strange with red navigation light on starboard  :o
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 December 16, 2011, 14:40:41
I'll look for the picture you requested, but in the meantime...have a look here!

Some real good ones.

http://www.davesmock.com/boatblog/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20213821@N00/5763485635/


Glad to be of help ;D

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 16, 2011, 14:56:13
Yep some very interresting shot on this blog.  thank you !
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 December 16, 2011, 15:07:55
Think this is the one you want:

http://v3.cache7.c.bigcache.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7172044.jpg?redirect_counter=1
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 16, 2011, 15:59:45
Thank you, great picture and high definition good details for the keel kooling system and for the outside keel (I dont know the english name for this small wing to avoid rolling)  And very strange propeller !

Thank you again 
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 16, 2011, 16:10:26
Those would be rolling fins, and those props makes her very fast it seems.

Congarats on your 1000th post Michel.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 16, 2011, 16:23:31
no no no only 100 th !

And now it's 101, I liked this number as it was a particular road when I was in Washington State and going from coasties stations Port Angeles, La Push, Ilwaco ... I was many time on this road following boom truck ! Nice souvenir on this road I used to choice this number 101 for some code in my job.   I was also one time at Anacortes, it was in 1991 -  I have checked my slides but many detail pics. I will try to scan it  - I have not a lot of pics for the Hunter and Invader ... era before digital   :-[
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 16, 2011, 16:50:50
From the excellent weekly newspapers towingline.com  I knew that Gladiator and Commander were sold to Resolve as Resolve Commander and Resolve Gladiator

http://www.towingline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/nieuws_2011_33.pdf

Then I made a research with those names Resolve .... and find those pictures

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33438735@N08/6161647450/in/photostream/

Finaly I will have good documentation
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 17, 2011, 07:07:03
Good finds.
Wonder how many other of the 7200's have been sold off.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: meechingman December 17, 2011, 08:25:26
Thank you, great picture and high definition good details for the keel kooling system and for the outside keel (I dont know the english name for this small wing to avoid rolling)

We call it a bilge keel over here in the UK.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 17, 2011, 10:36:20
Thanks for the info Meechingman ... when I was young I was thinking English and American speak same language  ;D
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 December 24, 2011, 12:30:29
This is cool!

http://towmasters.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/photos-of-the-week-71309/
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 24, 2011, 14:02:29
Thanks, high definitions pictures  :)

Any other are most welcomed, don't hesitate to post or to give link - I still missing pics of the anchor winch and the place between the towing winch and the aft side of the superstrcuture also the stair to go up.

Season Greetings from France

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 24, 2011, 16:11:26
The 'Monitor' is a tad rusty huh?
Those Invader's sure have draft! 15' at the bow and 20'+ at the stern.

  More pics for you.

Note: The 'Mars' is a 5750hp version, but the same design.

http://photos2.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=514648&size=full

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3268/3151511855_d836705b92_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuggerdave/3151511855/)
Old School (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuggerdave/3151511855/) by Tuggerdave  (at home) (http://www.flickr.com/people/tuggerdave/), on Flickr

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 December 25, 2011, 10:15:38
...and more.

http://flic.kr/p/abgDTh

http://www.bridgedeck.org/images/UIGFlash2011/Stalwart%20voyager%20pathfinder.gif

http://www.bridgedeck.org/galleries_hi/Crowley/Pathfinder6.jpg
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 25, 2011, 14:02:57
Thank you so much for thoses links and pictures.

The one with the Centurion props is very useful - it's also interresting that there is the only picture of her I ever seen since my visit and sailing aboard her in 1976 or 77 in Mediterranean sea.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 25, 2011, 14:09:47
This is a good source with some pics and info:

http://www.tugboatinformation.com/company.cfm?id=72

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidparody/3365791334/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluegoose9999/2883734991/

Merry Christmas!!

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2234/2272965811_34824f7979_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7730590@N08/2272965811/)
Jack Brusco (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7730590@N08/2272965811/) by red alder ranch (http://www.flickr.com/people/7730590@N08/), on Flickr


: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II December 25, 2011, 15:31:06
Lots of fun searching for these.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: islander December 25, 2011, 16:31:29
I can add some :)
First picture is of the Sentry.
Other two are of the Hunter.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 26, 2011, 13:19:56
Whoua, very interresting pictures !
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: cranton December 26, 2011, 20:22:04
All these shots are very much appreciated :D, particularly the rudder and prop views since these aren't usually available.

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot December 27, 2011, 04:29:05
Following the SudburyII link I find that my old friend Centurion was sold to Nigeria

http://www.tugboatinformation.com/tug.cfm?id=1093

then with the IMO number I find those pics

http://photos2.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=568442&size=full

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/shipdetails.aspx?MMSI=366766830

And then trying to found her in Nigeria I've seen that she's not arrived yet as just embarket on the Mighty Servant at New York

Nice pictures here, click on picture for better definition. It's also a very nice site for tug activities around New York area

http://tugster.wordpress.com/2011/12/



  
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: keith January 06, 2012, 06:12:31
here are a couple that was able to find in some of my files. 1 is of the guardian and the other 2 of the Hunter all in Anacortes a couple of years ago.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 06, 2012, 08:03:05
Hello Keith

Thank you for this pics, I've seen on another forum your excellent work like this one  http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=718208  

and also your project with Hunter

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/06/120106041912967173.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

Here I was interrested with your comment about "mistake" done on Longbike model. Especially as I've also seen myself this missing starboard stair  http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=653260  Then I was really interrested with your comment as you also you said to be able to help people building an Invader class tug with pictures.

Actually I've hundred of differents pics from the net but most of them are general views of the ship and I still have no pictures of the anchor winch or aft side of the superstructure - forward to the towing winch -

The towing winch itself is quite "hinden" on most pics as too much black and always same side viewing.

Then for example about the "famous stair" (missing on most model pictures I've seen)  the only picture I have is one I took as screen capture from a Youtube video taken by a passager during Seattle Tug Race.

It's a real pitty for me as I was aboard of the Hunter and Invader at Annacortes in the 90's  and the idea didn't came to me that time to take details pictures  :'(    

Anyway, compared to the beginning of this topic  :  now I'm on the process to built one Invader class - Certainely the Hunter.

My Harbor model kit is now on way to Europe, ironicaly it's fine for me to think that the hull came from US like the real one  ;)  Following the USPS tracking system she was yesterday at Temple City CA.

Then I still have some works on the hull prior to be at the "missing stair" stage as I intend to add the keel cooling system, the triple rudders, the tyres attachment ...

Thanks to tug53 dry docking pic and also the help of Sudbury II, Islander and other  ...
  
Keith, following what you said on RC Group Longbike topic when you said that you are able to help with correct info and detail pictures. Your message now is a great hope for me. Especialy as I know now the quality of your work on model and I'm close to your way of model building. Please keep in touch.

Michel
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 13, 2012, 08:18:56
Hello

I've received my Harbor Model kit, seriously it's a pitty that I didn't knew before my order that Gary was also able to produce the hull for less price.

Anyway the Harbor Model hull is nice, the other parts are not so interresting. Even if I well knew that it's a semi-kit, I was thinking parts like towing and anchor winches, ventilation tubing around the superstructures and things like that where with the kit ... and they are not

It's thrue that people working regulary with European kits like Graupner, Billing Boat, Model Slipway and of course Caldercraft  should be disapointed with this one.

Anyway it was my idea to "rebuilt" my Invader following documentations to be closer as possible to the real one.

For international regular postage a box cannot be longer than 46" and the hull was already 53".  Following Harbor Model it was only one solution via Fedex or UPS  with 1 000 dollars for shipment .... Crazy

So I asked Harbor Model to cut the hull in two parts  ;D  Then the box was less than 46" and the postage fee was "normal"  It took 6 days to come from Los Angeles to France (far from large city)

I've received the box at 10 AM, the hull was in one piece around 3 PM and floating on the pound at the end of the afternoon for the pleasure and to know the weight when loaded : around 30 kg (66 Lbs)

Now I'm starting to calculate the step between braket inside the bulwark for openning the water drain drain holes - I'm looking closer for the bilge keel, the keel kooling, the propeller shaft and trippe rudders.  Anyone have some drawings or info ? otherwise I'm starting to calculate following pictures. Thanks to Keith I received some good ones !


(http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060323436106.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060407476350.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060449646085.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060527241660.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060708403172.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060745438155.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060839852708.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113060926160973.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/13/120113061006164658.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com)

To be continue  

    
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 13, 2012, 09:14:11
PS : Thanks Tug53 for the link. I have to built the winch from scratch and all pics like that are welcomed. From Keith I've received the first one of the diesel engine which drive this winch (behind the winch) so helpful.

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: mike_victoriabc January 14, 2012, 07:43:30
Here are photos I took in 2005 at anacortes - might help you -
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: mike_victoriabc January 14, 2012, 07:46:38
Three more -
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 14, 2012, 08:09:43
Hello

Thank you very much Mike ... have you some more ??

I sent you a PM.

Michel
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 January 14, 2012, 08:50:56
Good start!
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: islander January 14, 2012, 11:21:30
You're going to build her as Centurian?
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 14, 2012, 12:18:35
In fact not as I don't have a lot of detail pictures for the Centurion.

Then I was aboard of the Centurion but later also aboard of the Invader and Hunter. Then Hunter is the one I have the more pictures until now, so the clever choice is for the Hunter. Another reason is that I like so much the Northwest area where I was some times in the 90's and I like the idea to have a tug working in this area instead of the Centurion which was a east coast tug mainly working with Puerto Rico barge.

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II January 14, 2012, 12:47:08
Good choice!!

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3650/3524584900_508547af1d_z.jpg?zz=1) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/valkyrie3/3524584900/)
CROWLEY -- HUNTER (http://www.flickr.com/photos/valkyrie3/3524584900/) by valkyrie3 (http://www.flickr.com/people/valkyrie3/), on Flickr

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 January 14, 2012, 16:03:18
Are you thinking of starting a 'Hunter' build thread bourricot; or are you happy having your build in this topic? ;) ;)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 14, 2012, 16:19:47
I have no idea  ??? I started here like following my request for pics and info.

But if you prefer to have a build thread may be we have to transfer also the beginning of my messages requesting info and also the link and picture received and also the explanation of my choice for this tug

Strange isn't it for a French ? Here so many modelers are building the Abeille Bourbon : I have all drawings for that, I took myself all detail pictures as I was aboard many time and also on drydock ...

Then I'm complicated with building a US tug without precise plans and not too much detail pictures !!

There is available plan somewhere for this Invader tugs ? I ask that as the position and the size of the superstructures looks to be approximative on this kit drawing  confused  
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 January 14, 2012, 16:39:35
If you're happy with your build here,  lets leave it here then.
As for plans, you could try Kieth, or forum member RBI via PM.

Or see this link:

http://www.loyalhannadockyard.com/BURCHETT.htm

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/showallphotos.aspx?mmsi=366770250#top_photo
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II January 15, 2012, 13:02:17
This looks like an Invader hull; don't ya think?

Found it here:

http://www.marinemodelers.org/tugs,_etc_.htm
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 January 16, 2012, 13:09:18
Michel:

I moved your post from another build; to yours! ;) ;)

nice link for me with this pic

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49954307@N00/5983604157/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Nice picture, by the way!!
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II January 17, 2012, 13:02:47
This is a good one.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3162/2888310113_1b8ce33b6b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14688000@N02/2888310113/)
Crowley Tug towing a barge from Puerto Rico (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14688000@N02/2888310113/) by donnyone978 (http://www.flickr.com/people/14688000@N02/), on Flickr
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 17, 2012, 13:26:48
Humm, that one also on the same link http://www.flickr.com/photos/14688000@N02/2970195525/in/photostream/

thks
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: islander January 18, 2012, 09:53:16
Looks like the boats that work the warmer climes have more ventilation below the stack.

Suds:  Is that the 'Ensign' pictured?
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II January 19, 2012, 11:38:17
I think so.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 21, 2012, 13:53:21
Actually I'm doing some mesurement job on pictures, I know it's a bit strange but it's the only idea I had to obtain right plan as the one I have is not so good ... may I say it's wrong one ?

I don't know the english word for that, in French it's "règle de trois" (rule of three ?)  that means you know the length of the real ship - you mesure it on the picture and then you found a scale factor for another length aboard of the ship.  Then now I know the exact positions of the bulwark H bits, bulwark brackets, the anchor box.

Now I have to be sure about the distance between the two propeller shaft. Someone here have this info ?

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: islander January 31, 2012, 11:28:59
How's the progress coming?
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot January 31, 2012, 15:21:24
Hello

I was in front of many problem with the plan, mesuring things on pictures ...

It was time to make holes in the hull for shaft and I was affraid as no indication in the drawing. Thank to Islander I have this picture to have an idea of the distance between the shaft !

(http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/02/01/120201122256632246.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=120201122256632246.jpg)

On the other side the drawing I received is like a joke : even the screw is not in front of the shaft line !

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/01/31/120131115823499778.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=120131115823499778.jpg)

Then I received a private message from a member of this forum with help. So now my project is frozen and I'm waiting the postman for his CD with correct drawings. I have a great hope for that as I intend to be closer as possible to the real Invader class.

Bourricot

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II February 01, 2012, 10:51:49
Sounds like a lot of work, but the finished product will be accurate and no doubt a 'crisp' build.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot February 01, 2012, 11:02:31
Yep, I hope so  ;D
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 February 02, 2012, 08:49:11
There are several differences between the boats of this class, for sure.

Just by looking at the picture above; not all of them have that steel 'half-pipe' re-inforcement at the stern.

Looking forward to seeing your progress Bourricot.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot February 02, 2012, 12:21:30
Hello

Yes I've seen that only few Invader have these "half pipes" at the stern. Then the Hunter don't have.

I've also seen that there is three different types of propeller, always 5 blades but different shape. 

Some ships, looks to be the Atlantic based ones, have a higher after side bulwark

I found hundred of pics on the Internet. All pics are now classified per name and I also have a file with copies classified per view or details (still some parts not enough covered... :-\  )

If there is no plan with measures for details, it still possible to compare on pictures one part with another.  But that means the most important : the project is started on good bases with general dimension : shaft, superstructures, winch position ...

Humm, it's why I froze my built until I have correct measures ...


: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: keith February 02, 2012, 16:53:26
my shafts on the hunter are at 6.25 inches  on nthe centers between them. So cut that in half for the ceter of keel to center of shafts.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 March 04, 2012, 15:54:30
Thought you may like this Michel

http://thebeachsideresident.com/2010/11/al-york-chief-mate-on-a-tug/
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot March 04, 2012, 16:23:51
We fish from the boat while underway and usually catch a few dolphin or wahoo. We always eat the first fish and freeze and take home the rest.

They are fishing Dolphin there ???  And dolphin there are stupid enough to be fished ??

Finaly I have enough documentation to start my built. I'm working with the keel, strangely there is an axial one like on wood boat seen on some pictures and shipyard drawing. I will take some pictures of my hull with this keel tomorrow or later.  Then I will add the bilge keel and keel cooling.

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Model Tug Man March 05, 2012, 09:56:02
He is referring to Dorado--dolphin fish as opposed to dolphin mammal.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot March 05, 2012, 11:14:40
Ok, not dolphin mammal. Thanks for the info
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II April 18, 2012, 17:37:28
Found a new one for ya'.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/-jon/6908375452/in/set-72157623405259397
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot April 19, 2012, 04:13:32
Hello

Thanks for this picture

About my built, it's not impressive actually and I will wait for pictures as I'm working on the hull. There is some dissymmetries at the rear and on the belly. 

I've discovered this when working on the rudder supports as the side ones end with the transom and the axial one stay forward but alligned ... Dissymmetry appeared like spot on the nose.  The other one on the belly was not so important but appeared stronger when I started to install the keel cooling.

I will show pictures soon as this work will be finished.

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II April 21, 2012, 10:51:51
Good vintage shots.

I hear having the rear deck 'awash' was common on those boats, especially with full fuel tanks.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot April 21, 2012, 13:06:17
Thank you for this link with interresting pictures for me (inside bulwark)

About kit to be exact, when the hull is not symetrical, maybe it's more a question of modeller than drawing ?

I hope to show you my hull within a week

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II April 21, 2012, 13:32:42
There's a nice looking Invader model in this video at time 3.02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMMMEEpMIw8
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot April 22, 2012, 07:05:07
Hello

This is the Thomas Invader

http://www.modellschlepper.de/html/invader.html

I don't know if the hull is coming from the same mould as mine, for sure it coming from the same plug with same flat part on the belly and dyssymetries as seen here

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/04/22/120422050848601316.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=120422050848601316.jpg)

Some pics of this model with perhaps exagerated speed ... maybe

(http://nsa21.casimages.com/img/2012/04/22/120422051257879305.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=120422051257879305.jpg)

But I like after deck washing, I hope the same sometime on mine !

(http://nsa22.casimages.com/img/2012/04/22/120422051512540817.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=120422051512540817.jpg)

A+ Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II April 25, 2012, 19:03:48
Look at this photo set.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidparody/3365791334/in/set-72157601477232529/
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Model Tug Man April 26, 2012, 03:30:56
Good find.

Glad that wasn't me.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: islander April 29, 2012, 17:40:17
Another nice shot

http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=713484&size=full

Heck we're filling this thread up with real tug pics...and almost no model;) ;)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II April 30, 2012, 15:39:34
Yes, but they're such great looking vessels, it's hard to resist ^-^

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kurtpreissler/1273489347/

An one from the Mark Freeman collection :)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 01, 2012, 07:27:47
adding the keel - solid brass
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 01, 2012, 07:29:33
the anchor box
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 01, 2012, 07:32:13
the rudder tubes (in one piece to be sure about parallelism)

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II May 01, 2012, 10:00:27
Looking good Sir!

Going to be a fine and accurate model.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 01, 2012, 10:19:09
Accurate - Yes it's my aim then I start something on her only when I'm sure. It was a problem at the begining : I'm still looking for 4 sides winch pics and details - also inside bulwark  ???

It was lot of work on the hull; more than than expected, now the base is ok : symetrical and almost accurate

Actually I'm working on the deck and on the keel cooling. Then I will start the superstructure and the propeller shaft.

The rudder support

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: mike_victoriabc May 01, 2012, 13:21:29
Nice work - having just fought recently setting 4 rudders in place - I wish I had been slower and seen your method first!
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 01, 2012, 16:16:56
In fact I was quite affraid to have to align 3 rudder and I find simply this solution at night prior to sleep (as usual) and I'm very satisfied. Now I'm thinking that I will use it even for a twin rudder. Yes I can imagine the nightmare with 4 ruddders :(

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II May 10, 2012, 14:50:36
Some deck pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/captainbeebs/6671743295/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/captainbeebs/6692760107/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/captainbeebs/6692761207/in/set-72157628928390761

http://www.flickr.com/photos/captainbeebs/sets/72157628805163221/with/6671743295/
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Puffin May 10, 2012, 15:30:48
HI BOURRICOT ;  On my latest build  I did a triple rudder  on a fixed Cort-duct ,and it works great . I just added two vertical fins parallel to the main rudder . I will post some pictures latter when I fined my camera .     
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Puffin May 10, 2012, 16:29:30
HI BOURRICOT ; Found my camera ,and here some shots .  PUFFIN
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Puffin May 10, 2012, 16:34:53
HI BOURRICOT ; Here is two more .  puffin
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 10, 2012, 20:58:47
Hello

Thank you very much SudburyII for these links with interior side of bulwark and nice view of the anchor winch. Real great help

Stange rudder Puffin, you sure it's adding more than the center one alone as your last picture show how this center is already very effective with forward compensated part, the outer rudders are not working with propeller flow but only with around flow.

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Puffin May 10, 2012, 21:42:26
IT really does improve the control of the tug AHEAD and ASTERN .  IT also helps with more thrust . The outer blade of the rudder is  offset back  45 degrees to allow it to turn at 45 degrees rudder . The boat now turns in about it own length .   It use to take about two and bit length's to turn . Bettor control at low speeds .                                         PUFFIN
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 21, 2012, 14:24:00
Hello

Some news about my built. I'm still working with the hull, the anchor box is finish. It's insteresting to notice that almost all models of Invader Class have an inclinated anchor box instead of horizontal one on all pictures of ships of this class. Someone have an explanation ?

I started the deck with rounded transversal structure. I intend to have access only via superstrcuture, no need on top of rudder. It will be possible to remove the winch for more access but only for big repair as this one will be fixed and sealed.   

The deck is resin/fiber piece moulded on a glass.

Bourricot   

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 21, 2012, 14:28:40
I'm also working on the hull starting the keel cooling and shaft supports as there is interference for both (I'm working with pictures)


: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 21, 2012, 14:30:16
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: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 21, 2012, 14:51:50
After the Commander and Gladiator now owned by Resolve in Singapore  - After the Centurion sold to Capital in Nigeria - there is the turn of Mars, Cavalier and Pioneer to be send to Africa.  As for the Centurion some weeks ago there are some interresting pictures on the nice New York tug blog Tugster  http://tugster.wordpress.com/

http://tugster.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/0aaaaaaaasw1.jpg
http://tugster.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/0aaaaaasw4.jpg

It's interresting for me to see that there are also some different location for the keel cooling - Mars is fully different but also not exactly the same for Cavalier and Pioneer ! 

(http://nsa30.casimages.com/img/2012/05/22/120522010327563573.jpg) (http://www.casimages.com/img.php?i=120522010327563573.jpg)

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Sudbury II May 21, 2012, 19:03:48
Your work so far looks mighty nice Bourricot :) :)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 May 22, 2012, 11:01:46
Very nice work!

The 'Mars' is sure light in the water when she was loaded aboard huh?
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 22, 2012, 13:10:03
The 'Mars' is sure light in the water when she was loaded aboard huh?

When you sold your old car, are you filling the fuel tank ?

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 May 22, 2012, 14:16:08
Oh I know that, but it's almost like they pulled the mains or something, likely no ballast and all tanks dry.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot May 22, 2012, 15:24:22
Having a general arrangement drawing of Invader class tug I was surprised as this ship is just like a fuel tanker, except engine every parts of this hull is full of fuel  :o.

I've seen the same with Wijsmuller Amsterdam / French Navy Tenace.  These tugs are able to round the globe without going to fuel pump but when they go : it's a nightmare for the bank account   :(
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 May 30, 2012, 09:40:03
A nice little video from flickr


http://www.flickr.com/photos/eric5500k/5724346876/
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot June 12, 2012, 10:46:42
The rudders are ready, I've made a linkage in "one piece" as I have to install and remove it from the superstructure hole - I don't want to have an access panel on the deck.

: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot June 12, 2012, 11:02:25
I'm waiting for my esc to install the motors inside the hull, I'm stuck as I have to wait this prior closing the deck.

Then I've built the fluke style anchor. I like this Invader Class as for everything there is only one piece, even the anchor !   My nightmare could be the Titanic with so many lifeboat, davit, funnel ... 

The only two pieces I have to build will be the propellers as special ones as seen on previous pictures, five flat blades.

 
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: mike_victoriabc June 12, 2012, 11:10:05
Nice clean work there - I like the rudder linkage.
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Puffin June 12, 2012, 14:49:58
like the rudder linkage there  .  puffin
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Ronan June 13, 2012, 08:51:03
Nice clean work!

How do you prep your brass/copper before painting? Since you had to solder on it, i'm guessing you wet sand before priming? What grit #?

Thanks :)

I really need to start my build thread... the hull is almost ready for painting  :)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot June 13, 2012, 09:32:21
Hello

After soldering the brass/copper I'm "washing" with aceton then I use sand paper, I don't know if it's the same standard in North America but I use mainly 280 and then 500 water sand paper. one important think is to avoid silicon sand paper !  Then I wash it again with aceton and use grey primer paint - medium grey is the best to see last defect.  Then this grey primer is also good to have unifom color prior any paint. 

So, if not interrested with navy models (Even if I used to serve the navy ...) my models are always grey during building time  :-[

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: islander June 13, 2012, 11:27:47
Very nice work cool
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: Ronan June 14, 2012, 13:06:20
Hello

After soldering the brass/copper I'm "washing" with aceton then I use sand paper, I don't know if it's the same standard in North America but I use mainly 280 and then 500 water sand paper. one important think is to avoid silicon sand paper !  Then I wash it again with aceton and use grey primer paint - medium grey is the best to see last defect.  Then this grey primer is also good to have unifom color prior any paint. 

So, if not interrested with navy models (Even if I used to serve the navy ...) my models are always grey during building time  :-[

Bourricot

Sounds about right, so i think its the same standard (or close enough).

Yes grey primer is the best, and it makes everything uniform :)
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot June 18, 2012, 02:23:54
Hello

On the excellent Fremont tug boat Blog some pics of the Invader capzized and after raised    :'(

http://fremonttugboat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSCN0326.jpg

http://fremonttugboat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DSCN0461.jpg

Bourricot
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: bourricot June 27, 2012, 08:51:27
A link with a question about keel-cooling on this class of tug.

http://tugster.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/other-peoples-fotos-18/
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 October 25, 2012, 13:37:25
How is your model coming bourricot??
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: islander October 28, 2012, 16:57:26
Has he lost his send button?? :D :D
: Re: 'Invader' Class Tugs
: tugs53 November 17, 2012, 18:03:36
Here's a couple of shots of a 'modified' Invader and barge.

Photos found on the net.