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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Ocean Going Tugs => : Haggis1138 February 06, 2011, 10:13:35

: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 06, 2011, 10:13:35
Well folks I finaly plucked up the courage to start my kit. Well sort of.
Suzi took lots of pics as I investigated the big box it came in.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/001-62.jpg)

Took some getting into it did.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/009-46.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/019-16.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/030-7.jpg)


I must admit that the contents of the box has frightened me a little. I am not used to playing with small componants when building trikes. Trike bits are a bit bigger  :)

Once I had familarised myself with the bits in the box it was time to read the instruction book and have a butchers at the plan. Even more frightened now  :o
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 06, 2011, 10:23:53
This afternoon I decided to get some plywood out of the shed and make the cradle. Couldnt take any pics of the build as we left the camera at a friends house last night. However I have some of the finished item.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/009.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008.jpg)

Tis made from 10mm 8ply. The manual says use 6mm but I had this so thats what I used.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/017.jpg)

The hull looks kinda good on it dont ya think??? :D

The rubber I lined it with is self adhesieve pipe insulation. I have lots of it so if anyone wants some then feel free to ask.

Next up I took a few pics of the contents for you all to see. Hope you like :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/018.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/022.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/024.jpg)

This bit is kinda worrying me though as this is my first ever build

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/015.jpg)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Footski February 06, 2011, 10:37:33
A solid start to the build. Don't worry about the experienced modeller bit....There are plenty on this site who will help you every step of the way. All you have to do is ask the question..

Barry
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tugs53 February 06, 2011, 10:38:23
Well it looks like you're underway Haggis (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores025.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Nice job on the stand! Sturdy and functional!!

The kits appears to be quite complete cool cool
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tbone February 06, 2011, 11:28:53
Did the kit come with a template for the stand or did you have to draw it out yourself?

Tbone
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: chipchase February 06, 2011, 13:49:46
Hi Haggis the Yorkshireman makes into a great model. I donít think that you have chosen the easiest kit for your first build but donít let that put you off.  I personally have not built this kit, but two of my friends at my local club have and she looks fantastic on the water. The best advice I can give you is just take your time. Good luck with your build and as Barry has said if you are not sure about something just ask.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 06, 2011, 20:20:17
Did the kit come with a template for the stand or did you have to draw it out yourself?

Tbone

Yes mate it did. Well sort of. You get a scaled drawing of half of each end. I coppied it trwice. Cut out the 2 halves, joined them together and drew round them on the ply. Simples
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 06, 2011, 20:23:28
Thanks for the encouragement folks and dont worry the questions will be a plenty :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher February 06, 2011, 22:10:12
looks like a complete and great kit. I think your skills building trykes should transfer quite easily to the boat, have faith and dive in. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Model Tug Man February 08, 2011, 09:27:16
Haggis,

Looking forward to your build and best wishes.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 08, 2011, 10:02:11
Going to read the instruction booklet and pin the drawings to the spare room wall and actually make a start on the tug its self. If that is I can make my mind up what to do first.

Is there an order in which things get done?? Well obviously one wouldn't finish the build and then think about fitting the motors etc etc

What do you do first?
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher February 08, 2011, 17:19:01
don't know about others,but I always do the Prop and rudder shafts first,then the motor(engine beds etc.) then lay in the battery placement so the hull floats very close to the desired stance but with enough freeboard to accomadate the super structure and deck fittings. then the deck allowing access to the innerds, remember to beef up the deck (underneath) where you are going to anchor your winches and bitts etc. Then you can start on the house and fidley bits. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher February 08, 2011, 18:03:18
took it for granted that anyone who lived north of the wall would know to put in the controly things (servos,speed controls,radios etc) before glueing down the decks ( not like us colonials who have sometimes gotten ahead of ourselves) and besides if you have your hull working you can always go to the pond and run around for a while (you can go run around anyway, but I mean you can run the boat around).It slows the build down sometimes but it adds to the enjoyment to play as you go.Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ February 08, 2011, 20:14:26
The instructions and drawings are in a logical building sequence, so it's best to follow that order. In any event you MUST build the hull first as you will need it to use as a "base" for building the superstructure. If you try to build that in your hand then there's every chance that it won't fit properly over the coaming.
FLJ ('im wot drew the pictures)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 08, 2011, 21:37:07
Thanks folks for the advice. I actually fell asleep in the chair after my dinner. Damn work getting in the way of pleasure again. Worked an 18 hour shift on Monday and it has knocked me for six..

So tonight it looks like I will be fitting the props and rudders then. I have instructions for putting the rudders together but they have come ready built. Theres a bonus.

FLJ, as I will be purchasing the elastictrickery bits from you when funds permit could you let me know sizes of the area I need to leave clear for mounting. I have the motors already. Bought them with the kit.
So I will need everything in the picture you sent me. I take it the Action p94 dual ESC mixer will allow me to controll each motor individually??

More later folks
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ February 09, 2011, 08:01:04
Have a look at our website. All the units are dimensioned and there's a full set of P94 Instructions which explains - with diagrams - exactly what this beast is capable of. No point in filling up the Tug Forum with stuff which is only a click away (just click on the ACTion logo on the LHS of this page).
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 09, 2011, 21:36:38
Thanks FLJ. Appreciated. You will be recieving a phone call tomorrow with an order that I will want delivered yesterday.  :)

Ok Was sat here last night and the wife (Suzi) told me to go and do something with my model and not to be such a scaredycat. I think she wanted to watch rearender.....sorry Eastenders or summat like. So pint of beer in one hand and lots of glue and tools in the other off I trudged.

Have I got everything I need?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/014.jpg)

As some of you are aware I build custom bike and trikes as a hobby (well I did till this moddeling malarky took hold). I rent a workshop off my boss from work and he is building a Harley Chop in it????? Well the other day he presented me with this

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/013.jpg)
Tis a Dremel Digital. What a tool it is as well. Most usefull. Kind chap aint he?
So tonight I started to cut out some of the componants. The first step was to cut out the rudder bits. Please forgive me for the non nautical descriptions. I am not a boating chap.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/020-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/021-1.jpg)

Once cut out I trimmed them to size and gave the inside faces a rub with some we and dry. Next up was to cut out some other bits and drill holes in them. I got out the dremmel and proceeded with caution.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/022-1.jpg)

Next up is glue time. I will let the pics speak for themselves.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/023.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/026.jpg)
Once the Super duper glue was set I had a look at the finished (Well nearly) articles and it was now I descovered that I had glued one of the rudders together all squinty.
Some choice words were muttered. Oh well I will just peel off the plastic bits and re glue them. Oh no I wont, they are well stuck on. I cut them off and now I will have to make another pair. Just hope I have enough scrap off cuts big emough or its another trip to the model shop.
Right itys time for me to go to work. See you all later






 :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Footski February 09, 2011, 23:47:29
A determined and  clean start. Don't worry about the error, it will not be the last. The secret is to discover the mistakes early so they can be put right. A good choice to use ACTion for your electrickery bits....great gear they sell..

Barry
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ February 10, 2011, 00:19:13
I see Slipway have sneaked in a non-standard drawing there! The rudders used to be cast white metal, so I guess the bulked-out brass ones are an improvement.
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner February 10, 2011, 02:12:57
Thats almost exactly how I constructed my new rudders after doing away with the white metal ones, the only difference I made was I used a full length of brass rod with a flat piece of brass soldered just slightly smaller than the rudder size, then added styrene to both sides then tapered the end  ;)

Just a little tip for you, it might be a good idea to take the plastic printed sheets to a photocopier, photocopy them and should you make any mistakes and cannot remove a plastic part you can then cut it out of the paper and use it as a template on a sheet of styrene  ;)

Regards, Dan.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave February 10, 2011, 06:18:20
Great to see you have started Haggis, as for the mistake if not for making them you would never learn. ( that's the way i see it ).

I for one will be following this thread with great interest.

The very best of luck and i hope the build goes well for you. :) :) :)

Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 10, 2011, 22:16:08
Once again, thanks for the encouragement. As this is a thing to do in my spare time (Now theres a laugh) it will be quite a slow build.
On another note. Why are there so many muppets on ebay. I sold a caravan on Tuesday. Advertised as spares or repairs with plenty of pics. Winner drove 200 miles yesterday and then tried to haggle me on the price to half of his bid. Well guess what? He had a 200 mile drive home empty handed. Why have I told you this? Well I was planning on spending half the dosh on the running gear I need from ACTion Electronics. Dont some folks just know how to upset someone. angry
Oh well guess the bank ballance will take another hit.
OK back to the job in hand. Which type of bow thruster should I purchase and where from. I am running 6v drive motors from Slipway. Had a butchers on Slipway's website but couldnt see any info.

See you all later.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner February 11, 2011, 07:02:12
If I am glueing a part that needs to be 100% inline then I tend to use a slower drying glue, not the super duper type  ;) ie, a 10 minute curing 2 pack epoxy, this gives you enough time to bond the parts but also to 'jiggle' it to the desired angle or even ARLDITE  :) especially if you will be leaving it overnight to dry, also, using the superglue you can always have the problem of your fingers sticking to a beer can  ;D ;D A good idea if the can remains full !!

Regards, Dan.

ps, Looking forward to seeing what you do to the model tonight  :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher February 11, 2011, 13:12:43
I've tried both the paddle type and the propellor type bow thrusters.Found the paddle type to be both cheaper and more powerful, no idea what the prices would be or where to get them in the U.K. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 11, 2011, 20:58:06
Cheers Al for that.
Back to the build. I aint done much though and it aint that exciting. All I have done is remake a rudder afcer my earlier cockup.
Managed to find a space big enough for the two halves on a sheet from the CNC cut ones.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/001.jpg)
Marked it out and cut it with the dermel. Ace little tool this is. Wish I had had one years ago
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/002.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/003.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/004.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/007-2.jpg)
Assembled the parts with a little lore care this time and now I have 2 straight rudders

Dont know if I will get much done on it this weekend what with work and its also the start of the Superleague Season. Got 7 games to watch this weekend...... :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ February 11, 2011, 23:51:56
The Robbe thrusters are rated at 6 volts but you'd be fine to run either the Graupner or Raboesch ones on that, too. Have a shufti at the Cornwall Model Boats website - Malcolm stocks quite a range of bow thrusters.
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 12, 2011, 07:51:35
Not nervous any more. Just drilled 2 holes in my hull  :o :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner February 12, 2011, 08:26:55
 :o :o I guess the 2 holes are for the rudders, you should have carried on with a further 8 holes for the port holes  :) :)

Regards, Dan.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 12, 2011, 09:20:54
Hya Dan. Unfortunately tis the start of the Superleague Season and I am doing the odd bit in the interval and between games  ;)
I have drilled some more holes and am really getting into it big time. Missed the last half of the last game because I got carried away.
Here are some pics of my prigress. Feel free to comment.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/013-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/014-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/015-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/016-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/023-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/019-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/020-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/021-2.jpg)
Starting to take shape. More in the next half time  :D
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Sudbury II February 12, 2011, 09:42:57
Nice work!
Coming together like a pro.

Suds
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher February 12, 2011, 10:54:54
welldone. you'll be trying it at the pond by month's end at this rate. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner February 12, 2011, 11:52:33
Get rid of the plastic props  :) Go for 4 blade brass ones  ;)

I'm suprised that Model Slipway add them to their kits  angry angry angry

Prop Shop do nice ones and also Cornwall Model boats, go for 'kort props' these are shaped to hug the kort

Regards, Dan.

ps, remember to order 1 left handed and 1 right handed prop,
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tugs53 February 12, 2011, 15:13:40
Check this out:

There's a whole series here :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ARUdPq8dm0
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 12, 2011, 21:51:48
Already been there. Too much talking and not enouth action for me. Now I am wishing I hadn't decided to use the spare room for my build as I could be doing some more work to it now but Suzi is snoring in the next room and I dont want to wake her up           do I :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 13, 2011, 21:18:42
Hya folks. Things didnt go too well yesterday afternoon. I spent the best part of 3 hours trying to get the props, rudders and korts all to line up properly. I just couldn't get both sides to line up the same. It appeared that one side rudder holes was too far to the stern. But measuring the holes everything tallied up. Then I slid both the arrowed parts up the same prop tube.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/003-3.jpg)
They were at different angles. So some work with a file in one of the prop tube holes and it all lined up fine. Phew that problem took some locating but only 5 minutes to fix.
Everything loosely located in its right place and its out with the Araldite Rapid.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/002-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/005-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/006-3.jpg)
I have only glued in the kort supports for now, will glue the rest tonight.


How am I doing for a nivice????? confused confused confused
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tbone February 13, 2011, 22:10:01
Looks good.  Figuring out problems like that is part of the experience.
Tbone
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ February 14, 2011, 00:06:31
How am I doing for a nivice?

A nivice? How did Clouseau get in here?  :-[
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: modslip February 14, 2011, 00:47:06
Dan

Re plastic props in the kit.
Brass props would add at least £20 to the price of the kit. The plastic props work, they can be painted brass or bronze. They are Robbe's and what's good enough for Robbe is good enough for us :)

Jackie
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Model Tug Man February 14, 2011, 05:58:02
Looking good, Haggis. You are doing a great job. :) :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 15, 2011, 14:23:24
Done a bit more today. Getting to be a bit of a habbit this. I will let the pics tell the story.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/005-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/002-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/010-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/011-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/016-4.jpg)

And now I am covered in filler dust but have a big smile.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave February 16, 2011, 07:28:15
Haggis, for your first build you are doing great. :) :) :)

Keep it up and the photos are great. :) :) :)

Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner February 16, 2011, 14:49:41
Dan

Re plastic props in the kit.
Brass props would add at least £20 to the price of the kit. The plastic props work, they can be painted brass or bronze. They are Robbe's and what's good enough for Robbe is good enough for us :)

Jackie

Hi Jackie,

I know the plastic props will work and they are good quality, but my point (of which I didn't state correctly) is that the full size Yorkshireman was built with 4 bladed kort props, if we go to the high level of detailing of which is in all your model kits, why not supply 4 bladed props as in the old Yorkshireman (the white metal ones) , if people are willing to pay the good price you sell the new Yorkshireman for then they will then go elsewhere to buy 4 bladed kort props to get a true scale. (Whats £20 extra on a model kit for a true reproduction ? )

Regards, Dan.

: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 16, 2011, 21:43:29
I will be purchasing brass props later. But right now I have bigger fish to fry..........like getting the power sutff from Active Electronics.................. :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tbone February 16, 2011, 22:23:09
I'm sure you mean Action?  Never heard of Active electronics.

Tbone
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 16, 2011, 22:28:00
I'm sure you mean Action?  Never heard of Active electronics.

Tbone

Ooops.................tis early
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Footski February 16, 2011, 23:38:38
Oh yes that P94 is a superb bit of gear. I would not be without mine..
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 18, 2011, 14:32:27
Right I have done some more on the tug. Pics tomorrow.
Question time. There are no access hatches to the rudders in the deck. However one has the option to make ones own. This option I have done. My question is, how do you fasten them down to make em water tight?

I will post some pics tomorrow. Too many beerypops to negotiate Photobucket tonight  :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher February 18, 2011, 16:25:45
for small access hatches that will often be under water I just use some black butyl rubber ( like the tape  you use to glase windows, modern style). It sticks them down and yet you can easily remove them and reuse the stuff by heating in your hand. Other wise you have to use screws and grease or sealant then you have to hide the screws. In real life there is usualy a raised combing above the rudder stock with a removable manhole on top.Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher February 18, 2011, 16:28:48
or you could make a large hatch and tape around with electrical tape then cover the whole thing with some sort of rubber matting or deck material as I did on the Sealane .Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: modslip February 19, 2011, 05:35:55
Dan,

Re: brass propellers. We have the added problem of regular supply when we need brass props in 100s. Also bear in mind that the importers of brass props into the UK are kit manufacturers themselves .... (Prop-shop could/would not supply us when we asked a few years ago). Regular supply and price are the reasons we don't include brass props in Yorkshireman.

Model makers did not like the whitemetal props as in the old Yorkie, they were not balanced.

Regards
Jackie



: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 February 19, 2011, 05:52:51
Thanks for that Jackie. Dan I was offered the option of having either plastic or brass props and I opted for plastic for now and may change to brass later.
Last night I spen a while cutting a couple of hatches in the deck to give me access to the rudders for servicing and maintenance.
Here are the pics
First was some accurate drawing
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/001-4.jpg)
Then some accurate cutting
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/007-6.jpg)
And Walah some hatches
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008-5.jpg)
I cant make my mind up whether to leave them flush or make them stand proud? :-\ Anyway I made a flange to glue on the underside by cutting some strips and glueing them in, Simples
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/011-3.jpg)
I cut some more strips and made a frame to see what they looked like proud.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/016-5.jpg)
Juset letting the glue dry and we will see what they look like when I turn it over
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: bigford February 19, 2011, 15:16:24
looking good sofar...  you can buy little clear plastic tabs/screws
from robbe. thats what i have on my happy hunter
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 06, 2011, 21:05:37
Hello again folks. Have you missed me??
I have not done a lot to the Tug as been too busy in the workshop with a trike.

Spent yesterday suffering a hangover so sat in the spare room and did some more. Didnt seem to be in there long but Suzi shouted me at 9.30pm for my dinner. And that was as cold as the stares I was recieving.   ooops

Got quite a bit done. Hatch lids are finished ish??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/002-4.jpg)
I cut out the anchor boxes, fabricated them and glued them in
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/006-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/007-7.jpg)
I also completed putting in the stern tubes. This was fun  :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/004-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/005-4.jpg)
Next up was to glue some of the aft deck parts together
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/001-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/003-4.jpg)

To finish off the afternoons work I cut out and shaped the freeing ports

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008-6.jpg)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tbone March 06, 2011, 21:11:07
Haven't heard from you in a while, looks like it's coming along nicely
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 06, 2011, 21:35:27
Thanks matey. Yep I am certainly enjoying the build.. Maybe I should have tried a less complicated kit but I think I will get there in the end.
I must confess here that I thought the instructions would be a step by step guide to building it. But then I supose that would take some of the fun out of the build. I have to keep 2 steps ahead of what I am doing so that I dont glue something down that lated need to be removed.

Someone comented somewhere that I now cannot find something about beefing up the towing points. Can someone please help me out with how to and where to?
Thanks in advance
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tbone March 06, 2011, 22:20:42
Is this what you're thinking of:
http://www.danwalker.co.uk/Harbour_Tug_html/tugpart8.html

Tbone
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 07, 2011, 10:11:03
Nope but nice idea though. Twas just a comment made by somone on here
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher March 07, 2011, 16:19:35
I think that I had given you a caution, to make sure you glue some ply or other reinforcing under the deck for anchoring points  for bitts staples ,towing winches etc. Hard to do it after the deck is down. Al  ps. good progress
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 07, 2011, 21:27:34
My plan was to double skin the deck at stress points by glueing some 2mm plastic sheet to the underside. Did think about ply but that has a tendancy to swell in moist conditions.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 08, 2011, 09:05:38
Ok folks, starting to get excited now. Tis starting to look like a Tug.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012-3.jpg)
Still a long way to go though. Tell you what, the curved bit on the Bow is a sod to get lined up if you aint got any clamps
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/005-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/001-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/004-5.jpg)
Still Big tubs of glue have other uses  :)
Spent a good bit of time glueing and shaping some strips of plactic to the hull to act as a landing strip to fasten the deck too. Time consuming but enjoyable all the same.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/007-8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/006-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/010-5.jpg)


Right its Question time now. What do you use to fasten your motors to and how do you fasten it into the hull. I had thought of some good grade marine ply?? Tis time to get the motors inside the hull or it will be a bit difficult with the deck fastened in.
Later folks
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Fatcat March 08, 2011, 09:14:29
Get the motors lined up now but make them removable from their mountings before you fit the deck. Its easier to make sure they are lined up correctly before you put the deck on.  ;)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher March 08, 2011, 11:24:29
I usually use aircraft ply for stiffeners and motor mounts, but it depends on the motor. some times  use solid wood trimmed to fit the hull, running down both side of motor ,sometimes make aluminium pieces broken in the vice or break if you have access, drill lots of little holes in the base and glue it to the hull. You seem to be doing just fine without all the advice anyway. Pleasure to watch.Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner March 08, 2011, 11:49:44
Someone comented somewhere that I now cannot find something about beefing up the towing points. Can someone please help me out with how to and where to?

Hi Haggis you are doing a great job  :)

As for the towing point are you refering to the 'gog eye' for beefing up or where the actual towline is conected to ?

Regards, Dan.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 08, 2011, 12:09:02
Just to point out here folks. I do not know all the tech terms for all the fixtures n fittings on a tug.  To me there are things of purpose.
As I know I am going to get press ganged into towing with this thing of beauty once its finished then I want to be ablt to do so without bits breaking off.
With this in mind, if it looks like rope attatches to it then I want it strong. A comment was made by someone about the towing point(?) being able to take the weight of the tug.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner March 08, 2011, 12:28:33
Ok Haggis, the towing line that you will be using feeds through the hole in the bulwarks and through the 'bits', she never towed on the bits so this means you can beef up the towing point which is hidden from sight  :) The gog is the fairlead that is attached to the deck.

Hopefully you can see from these 2 photos ;

Regards, Dan.

ps, my 'gog eye' is secured to a grp post through the deck, the post is attached to the hull with isopan p40, then a hole was drilled through the deck and into the gog and again fixed with p40, I can lift the tug up on the gog complete with batteries etc inside.

: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 08, 2011, 13:30:02
Thanks for the info Dan. I think I understand now...............but dont hold ya breath  :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner March 08, 2011, 13:38:01
I am sure you will have seen this or maybe it is included in the kit ;

http://www.modelslipway.com/photo_gallery/yorkReview_TSmall/page.htm

Regards, Dan.

ps, Just out of interest, what is the thickness of the decks that are supplied with the kit ??
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea.mariner March 08, 2011, 15:02:05
Are you considering installing a working tow-winch or working 'gog' rope Haggis ???

I am constructing a working gog rope for my Yorkie of which will run over and under the small winch on the aft deck, I will post a diagram of my workings during the weekend  :)

Regards, Dan.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 08, 2011, 21:45:03
Are you considering installing a working tow-winch or working 'gog' rope Haggis ???

I am constructing a working gog rope for my Yorkie of which will run over and under the small winch on the aft deck, I will post a diagram of my workings during the weekend  :)

Regards, Dan.

 confused :-[ Erm I dunno?? What would you recomend?

I am as green as I am cabbage looking when it comes to boats
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 09, 2011, 13:16:29
Been off work for 2 days now being ill. And no sorry but it isnt man flu. Not as bad either  :).
Upside is I seem to have got lots done as well as abusing my credit card. Bought my elastictrickery. Bought a bow thruster. Bought battery and last but not least bought my radio set n servo. Be test sailing tomorrow at this rate  ;D

Spent a good few hours at the bow end  today.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/002-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/001-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/003-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/005-6.jpg)
Whilst the glue was setting I started to make a hatch and got carried away and finished it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/006-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008-8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/009-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/010-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/013-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/014-3.jpg)
I also did some work on the superstructure but was so carried away with my progress I forgot to take pics  confused
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Norry M March 09, 2011, 13:51:37
...Hi Haggis1138...

If you are feeling a wee bit better then come on up to  Glasgow Richmond tomorrow night and bring your boat...

The Teas & Buns are on me...

...Best Regards...Norry...
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ March 09, 2011, 14:33:41
Bought my elastictrickery. Be test sailing tomorrow at this rate  ;D
Should be with you before 1.00pm tomorrow. Please do read the manuals first........................ and I hope your cold gets better soon (and mine).
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 09, 2011, 23:44:01
ps, Just out of interest, what is the thickness of the decks that are supplied with the kit ??

1.5 mm mate
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 10, 2011, 03:32:05
Bought my elastictrickery. Be test sailing tomorrow at this rate  ;D
Should be with you before 1.00pm tomorrow. Please do read the manuals first........................ and I hope your cold gets better soon (and mine).
FLJ

Arrived 10.00, Thanks for an excellent service.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave March 10, 2011, 06:35:37
Hi Haggis, Your build is coming really well at the rate your going it will be sailing around the lake sooner than you think. :) :)
The build log you have put together is a credit to you well done. :) :)

Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 10, 2011, 13:22:08
Another update time. Here is how I finaly fastened in the power plants. Yep I could have cut a lump of plywood and simply screwed the motor mounts to it but that would be too easy and I dont want any wood in there as it swells when wet.
So I decided to fabricate a bracket that I could remove with both motors still fastened to it. Reason behind this is I have gert big fingers and there aint gonna be a lot of room in the hull for my big hands.
I started with a rectangular piece of 2mm styrene sheet, bolted the motors to it at the correct centres.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/006-8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/004-7.jpg)
Next up I need to make another bracket to glue into the hull to support the assemble
Again this was made from 2mm styrene.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/009-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/010-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/014-4.jpg)
This was then drilled to take some bolts that I can actually screw nuts onto with my fingers. the bolts were then glued in and the whole assembly glued into the hull.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/018-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/019-3.jpg)

A nice clean tidy and strong job even if I do say so myself  :) :) 
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 10, 2011, 13:35:00
So thats the motors in and bolted up. My elastictrickary has arrived from Action Electronics so as soon as the battery arrives that lot can be installed as well. Really looking forward to that lot.................................not.
While the epoxy on the motor mount was curing I decided to have a wrestling match with the super structure.
Who is responsible for the CNC cut sheets??? Who ever it is is a sadist. Take a very expensive CNC milling machine. Stick a vacuum chuck on it. Vacuum a sheet of 1.5mm styrene sheet on the chuck. Program the machine to cut out the shapes needed. Sorted.............not at all. Why when we have all this technology cant all the portholes and windows be completely cut out?  confused angry >:D Took me hours it did. Anyway enough waffle, heres the pics
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/015-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/016-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/020-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/021-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/022-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/023-2.jpg)
And that concludes this weeks updates as we have a weekend in a hotel with a group of bikers to have this weekend and wont be posting till next week
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher March 10, 2011, 14:30:05
carefull, at this rate you'll have a tug by months end. good stuff. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 10, 2011, 14:33:44
carefull, at this rate you'll have a tug by months end. good stuff. Al

Then I'll just have to build another then  :) :)

Cheers mate. To say I'm enjoying the build is an understatement
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher March 10, 2011, 15:55:17
carefull, soon you'll be as crazy as the rest of us. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 10, 2011, 22:16:16
I already am crazy. I keep thinking of things I would like to do in my spare time......................I dont have any spare time. If I aint asleep I am in my workshop, at work, building my model or riding my neglected Harley Crossbones.

I have come to a conclusion regarding this forum. It is the only forum I post on that has so many shy users. My build had over 130 views yesterday and only a couple of posts that were not from me. Come on folks dont be shy. Feel free to ask questions. The only silly question is the one that didnt get asked. Make comments. Point me in the right direction if I am going wrong. How will I learn if I dont know what I am doing??? :) ;) :D
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave March 11, 2011, 06:57:36
Yes Haggis it's coming on very well :) :) :) I like your idea on mounting the motors, very good :) :)

You will be finished sooner than you think at the rate your going. ;D ;D

Well done. :) :)

Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: carlmt March 13, 2011, 13:45:30
Hey Haggis - have come over from the Mayhem site on your recommendation to have a look at your build.  Looking good fella!!!!

I started this kit way back some 10 years ago - and have yet to finish it (work postings / marital strife / you name it - it has all conspired!!!!).

My ONLY gripe with this 2010 kit is - why didnt MS take the opportunity to correct the mistakes in the kit? For example:  the prototype Yorkshireman had a very obviously curved bow whereas the kit has a pointed bow. Other more minor differences exist but have not been addressed. I would have thought that the 'upgrade' would have addressed these.

Otherwise, these MS kits are really the business!!!

Enjoy the build - it is coming along nicely!!!!
Carl
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 13, 2011, 20:40:07
Cheers folks for the coments.
A couple of questions now. I am getting close to painting and glazing some of the super structure. My questions are-:

1 Does celulose paint eat styrene?
2 Once painted how does one go about glueing.
3 How do you stick windows in?
4 Can you spray Humbrol paint?
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: chipchase March 14, 2011, 00:57:02
Hi Haggis here are some of the problems that I have experienced while working with styrene.
  
1.
You will have  no problem spraying cellulose/ acrylic paints onto styrene as long as you key the styrene first. I always wet and dry the styrene before painting, I have found that the paint will peel off in large sections If the styrene is not keyed.

2.
If you paint the styrene and then start gluing more parts to your model you will get the same results as in answer one, the super glue is only sticking the paint together and not the styrene.

3.
I have tried different glues over the years and have not found a glue that does not have an effect on the clear styrene windows my method is to  make the windows a tight press fit into the frames, I have not lost a window yet using this method. Here is a photo showing how I build the frame, sorry about the quality of the photo. Once I have cut the window out I fit .5 styrene to the inside of the superstructure then carefully trim the excess away leaving about a 0.5 lip to prevent the window from going throw the frame, hope this helps.

4.
Unfortunately I have had no experience spraying Humbrol paint. I have tried spraying cellulose / acrylic paint onto Humbrol paint in the past and found that the acrylic paint melts the humbrol. I paint humbrol onto acrylic paint and this has no effect on the acrylic.

I use acrylic paint from my local car accessory  shop unfortunately you can no longer get cellulose paint anymore.

Regards Brian
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Fatcat March 14, 2011, 01:24:06
As for the point about windows.

I picked up a tip from a fellow modeller and that is to use canopy glue that the aircraft guys use as it drys clear and if you make a neat job putting them in, it would be hard to see the glue.

I once actualy managed to plastic weld the windows in once and got away with it as there was a brass etchng which made up a frame going round the window.

Bottom line is, theres no set way of doing things.

P.s, the builds looking great  ;)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: marchy March 15, 2011, 13:44:53
Hey there Haggis1138
Admiring your posts as they have been very informative.  Like you, I am also building the Yorkshireman, but a few steps behind. 

Regarding paints, take "chipchase" advise - use acrylic spray paints from an automotive parts store.  I used Red Oxide sandable primer for the bottom paint and then semi glossed over it.  Image attached (maybe - my 1st post).  Apologies for the low res - it was low light

Completely agree with your CNC thoughts and laser cut the PPS-1 sheet

Nice job on yours

March

: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tugs53 March 15, 2011, 17:52:16
Welcome Aboard the Tug Forum March!! :) :)

Your build's coming along good!
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 15, 2011, 21:42:21
Marchy, that looks good mate. Getting to the point now where I have to be 3 steps ahead of what I am doing so I dont glue summat up and then cant get inside to put windows in or paint inside.
I think its the painting thats going to be my downfall. Never been good at it.

As for glazing. All I intend to do is cut a strip that will go accross all the windows and carefully glue it accross the inside of the wheel house etc etc. I wont be individually glaszing each window. Seen enough of them allready after cutting them all out and fetteling them. :(

Do we glase portholes? :-\
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ March 16, 2011, 00:35:15
Who is responsible for the CNC cut sheets??? Who ever it is is a sadist. Take a very expensive CNC milling machine. Stick a vacuum chuck on it. Vacuum a sheet of 1.5mm styrene sheet on the chuck. Program the machine to cut out the shapes needed. Sorted.............not at all.
Sounds simple, but as soon as the cutter penetrates right through the plastic the vaccuum disappears and the sheet rides up the cutter from the table. You also risk shredding the rather expensive backing sheets which protect the table bed from being CNC milled. I've seen it happen; that's why the round holes ain't quite holes. You should use a No1 XActo to cut through what can't be much more than the remaining ten thou of styrene and then finish off the circular hole with a rat-tail file or tapered reamer. It is a kit, after all - not a collection of finished parts which just need glue.
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ March 16, 2011, 23:59:02
Haggis
A bit of inspiration for you. This guy has never built a model boat before:
http://modelismenavalradioc.nouvellestar6.com/t1797p90-yorkshireman-de-grosventre (http://modelismenavalradioc.nouvellestar6.com/t1797p90-yorkshireman-de-grosventre)
The wheelhouse looks rather good, eh? I also like the radio installation....... ;)
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Fatcat March 17, 2011, 01:20:44
Yeah it is pretty good that like.

Some fibre optics would finish it off just nice.

As for this build, i'm following with interest and would love to build one but the scales too small for me.

Dan
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 17, 2011, 13:40:15
That sure is one great build. The guy might not have built a boat before but he most deffinatley aint no stranger to model building. Some well equiped workshop there and just look at all the paint.
Speaking of paint I bet its gonna take the guy a while to paint it  :)

Also has he used some artistic license or is his an older version of the kit? The hiab looks a lot different to mine.

Hope my ends up half as good
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher March 17, 2011, 15:57:53
have faith, great one of the north, kilWINNING is in your blood. :)al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 17, 2011, 21:41:22
have faith, great one of the north, kilWINNING is in your blood. :)al

Tis the taking part that matters, winning is a bonus but to kill is only acceptable if its to eat

Whats the general consensus about altering things in a kit or building in things that were not on the original boat? I had thought about some furniture in the wheelhouse and a few other minor alterations as I am going along.
This build aint no show build. Tis also my first venture into model building.

Does anyone have any pictures of inside the Yorkshireman wheelhouse?
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Model Tug Man March 18, 2011, 03:59:40
Check out the cabin layout in page 9 of the link above. Talk about 'artistic license'.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave March 18, 2011, 10:20:32
Wow.......had a look at that, Now that's what you call dedication. :) :) :) :) :) :)

Other than that all i can add is Haggis here's a challenge. :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D


Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 18, 2011, 11:56:21
Challange accepted   :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave March 18, 2011, 12:04:48
HI Haggis, it sounds like you are going all out on your build, all i can say to that is all the very best of luck to you and well done so far. :) :) :) :) :)

Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: MrGrumpy March 19, 2011, 13:24:42
New to the site Haggis ..but watching your build.. cant wait for the next instalment !
Love the Yorkshireman from slipway..its a handsome tug !
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 20, 2011, 11:26:02
Cheers folks for the encouragement.
I have been doing quite a lot but for some reason I forgot to take pics. Been doing some fiddely bits like making the diving box and funnels. Promis I will take some pics tomorrow
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 March 21, 2011, 21:43:32
Ok folks here are some pics of progress so far.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/001-9.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/002-8.jpg)

Had another worrying time yesterday as my bowthruster arrived which meant cutting holes in the hull. Not something I was looking forward to doing but hey it needs done. Worked out ok in the end.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/004-8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/006-9.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/007-11.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008-10.jpg)

Just need some glue and its done. Dust everywhere and one angry missus  :)

Next up is the other part of the build I have not been looking forward to doing. Yep........the elsatictrickery.
Spent an hour trying to understand the system and gave up as my head hurted.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/010-8.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/009-8.jpg)

Here's an anoying thing off topic but maybe someone can help me out here.
When I am doing quite a long post on here and get about halfway into it. The posting box seems to fill up and start jumping each time I hit a key with my text dissappearing from view. If I use the bar at the side to pull the text into view it just jumps the next time I hit a key or after a few seconds. Is this a forum issue or my pc. It sometimes does this on another forum??
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ March 22, 2011, 05:06:34
Haggis
Just connect the units up one at a time - without the battery in circuit. There's a fully coloured wiring diagram of the whole lot connected together on the website. If you use that as your guide then it's not difficult - it's just a picture. Take your time and double-check everything against the diagram. The battery is the very last thing to fit.
Some folk get unreasonably scared about electronics. Can't see why - we've done all the clever stuff for you beforehand and everything you've bought was tested before it left the workshop. All that's left to be done is what I call 'boys, bells and batteries' - like wiring a plug (if you can't do that then maybe you should stick to static modelling!).
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: tugs53 March 22, 2011, 07:50:29
"Here's an anoying thing off topic but maybe someone can help me out here.
When I am doing quite a long post on here and get about halfway into it. The posting box seems to fill up and start jumping each time I hit a key with my text dissappearing from view. If I use the bar at the side to pull the text into view it just jumps the next time I hit a key or after a few seconds. Is this a forum issue or my pc. It sometimes does this on another forum??"

Not sure what causes this, but it's happened to me before too.

Goes away if I 're-boot' the comp though.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Model Tug Man March 23, 2011, 05:21:14
Coming along nicely, Haggis. I have noted many suggestions to rotate the thruster aft a little to improve access to the motor for servicing. Not sure if this applies to your boat but it is food for thought. Is your fore-deck going to be mounted permanently? This may be the deciding factor. Good luck with the electronics. Just keep the ploarity straight and follow the diagrams provided by FLJ.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave March 23, 2011, 08:47:31
Your doing very well Haggis,it will not be long now and your boat will come to life. :) :)

And you can then get her out for sea trials. :) :)

Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: MrGrumpy March 23, 2011, 08:52:45
Haggis just my two penny worth !
From experience I use halfords (UK motor parts store) spray cans , they are acrylic and give a really nice finish , never affected the plastic I have sprayed the paint on.
Windows i use acetate and use a small dob of Revell contacta professional , it sticks to the paint really well and as there is no pressure on the windows it works really well.
Not brave enough to airbrush so I cant help you there  :-[

Kevin
Edit.. Ooops bit late on the advice , but a very interesting build, cant wait for the next instalment  :)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave April 03, 2011, 04:03:19
Hi Haggis, How is the build coming on.

Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 April 05, 2011, 20:36:01
Not touched it for a while. I have found a mistake in the kit and cant decide what to do about it yet. There is a discrepancy (SP) of 10mm in two of the cnc cut parts that makes the hiab deck too long and hang over the stern end. I will take pics tonight and try to explain
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: oldiron April 06, 2011, 03:36:07
 Here is that deck on a Yorkshireman built by one of our club members. Does it help at all?

John
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave April 14, 2011, 09:06:30
Hi Haggis, How are you getting on with your build. Do hope every thing is going well.


Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 April 25, 2011, 20:35:45
hya folks. sorry there has not been an update. All things trike have taken off and I have either been riding my bike in the sunshine or in my workshop building trikes.
I will hopefully get some done soon though
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 May 10, 2011, 06:59:16
My head is on fire....lol Started to do the wiring of the lecky componants today. got a base for them made. Fitted everything to the base and now am getting well confuzzeled as I have 2 different wiring diagrams. Will get there though. Pics to follow later
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 May 10, 2011, 20:14:59
Sorry I aint put any pics on as I never got finished.
I have a problem with a componant and its corresponding wiring diagram.
The terminals on my power disrtibution board read TB2 TB3 TB4 TB6 TB5 The diagram reads TB2 TB3 TB4 TB5 TB6 So now I am confused.
Can anyone shine any light on the matter???
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher May 10, 2011, 21:40:15
sorry haggis, can't help at all. Don't let the smoke out. Have missed your post. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: C-10 May 11, 2011, 00:43:16

       Hi `aggis  --  just looked at my P102  --   its the same  --  reversed TB6 and TB5 on the board and wired
 as per diagram .I think its called attention to detail in the inspection department.
               
                                     pompy boy
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 June 14, 2011, 05:29:09
Hya Folks....Remember me??
Well due to a serious bout of man flu I am off work. I have done a lttle on the boat. Been trying to get to grips with the wiring.

Here are a few pics of my progress.
Please feel free to tell me if i have done summat wrong.

I will tidy it all up once she is all sorted out.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/016-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/015-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/014-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/013-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012-6.jpg)

In my time away from the forum I have built a trike, made a boat trailer and bought a 14ft fishing boat. hoping to get on the water in a couple of weeks with the fishing boat not my model  ;D
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ June 14, 2011, 11:01:06
It's Dr Wombat's little joke. He can write 20,000 lines of complicated PIC code but when it comes to numbers 1 to 6, well...................
Is it worth the £40 it would cost to have the silk screen redone? I dunno. Meanwhile please read TB5 as TB6 and vice versa.
Nobody's perfick..............  cool
Dave M
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher June 14, 2011, 21:00:38
even the flu can be rewarding if you model things right, wireing is always a bit messy if you leave enough slack to make repairs easy. get well soon, post some pics of yourtrikes. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 June 15, 2011, 07:24:03
Most of my trike builds can be seen at www.britchopper.co.uk/forum.
 but just for you Al. Plenty of reading and pics to keep you all out of mischief

V8 trike build (http://www.britchopper.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=6326)
Red VW Trike (http://www.britchopper.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=17404)
Least said the better (http://www.britchopper.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9294)

Oh yea nearly forgot, in her spare time my missus built this one

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/122-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/096.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/034-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/002-52.jpg)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Model Tug Man June 15, 2011, 07:42:32
Oy veh, that putz has got to be mashugana to think I would get on that thing!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher June 15, 2011, 20:26:21
looks solid, wouldn't be caught on two wheels,but three looks interesting. is that a self potrait of the missus on the beautiful leather work? the Scots can't be all bad. Great work. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mersey dave July 17, 2011, 04:56:15
Hi Haggis, how is your build coming on. I hope things are going well.


Regards Dave.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 September 10, 2011, 12:05:41
Hya folks, I'm back again. Lots happened at chateaux Haggis preventing me from doing owt on my model. However there was a model show local to me today and my wife Suzi took me along. All I can say is thanks Suzi, got my mojo back
However we now have a pals son livin in our spare room so he is near to college. So I have moved my stuff into my new Man Cave
Pics to follow.

Back building my Yorkshireman again and well into the grove
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 September 10, 2011, 13:15:05
As promissed here is a few pics of the new Man Cave

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/013-7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/014-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/016-8.jpg)
Just about got mt electrics all fitted then its all systems go with everything else

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/018-5.jpg)

I saw this little beauty at the model show today. Guy made it himself and it runs off lighter gas making steam. Well smart
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/012-7.jpg)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher September 10, 2011, 15:36:45
good recycling of the old bomb shelter..  while on the subject of cycling, what trykes were made? welcome back. Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: mike_victoriabc September 10, 2011, 16:00:41
Nice work - those trikes are quite the builds as well!
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 September 11, 2011, 12:56:42
Cheers folks. The last trike was one I bought in to sell on but I wont be doing that again as it would have been easier to build from scratch.
Back to the model
I went back to the model shao and took my Yorkshireman with me. Everyone who chatted to me thought /i was doing a splendid job. Thats well boosted my mojo.
When I was there I saw a model and the wheel house was well sorted. I remembered a challange set me somewhere in this thread. So ahead I went and made some stuff. I will let the pics tell a story.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/008-11.jpg)

My efforts to match it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/018-6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/020-4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/021-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/024-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/026-1.jpg)

Feel free to critisize and let me know what ya think please
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: sea monkey September 11, 2011, 15:22:11
It's worth the extra effort. Even though no one will be able to them when it's finished, you'll know.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 September 13, 2011, 12:48:26
It's worth the extra effort. Even though no one will be able to them when it's finished, you'll know.

Whadya mean no one will be able to see em? :( Im puttin clear windows in just so folks can see  :)
Anyway I was not happy with the telegraph thingy so I made another one. Bet ya cant guess what I used for levers??? All I'm saying is the missus aint to happy

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/002-10.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/003-10.jpg)

Decided after that to make a ship to shore radio. Took a couple of goes as I didn't like the first attempt
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/004-10.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/007-13.jpg)

So what should I make for the wheelhouse next?? To say I am happy is a bit of an understatment  ;D
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 September 13, 2011, 21:28:55
Quick question. Would the Yorkshireman have had a steering wheel or lever steering?
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Footski September 13, 2011, 22:31:27
You nicked the wife's hair clips!!!! :o :o :o
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 September 14, 2011, 10:46:51
You nicked the wife's hair clips!!!! :o :o :o

Nope but close ;)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: rigger1 September 16, 2011, 10:52:15
well smart keep up the good work  will be worth it roy
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: vigilant October 06, 2011, 11:16:08
I think you nicked it from the comb or hairbrush ??? from the missis, at page one I saw that you won't need it anymore ;D And by the way your yorkshireman looks great.

greetings Jan
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 November 25, 2011, 06:23:05
Well folks I am back but unfortunately I have done nothing to the model as trike building has taken off and I no longer have the time.

So with this in mind and also that I wont get near it for at least 6 months I have decided to sell the whole kit. Radio gear, glues materials battery electrics etc etc.

Yep another unfinshied project goes on sale at less than it cost. Sad but needs must

So if any one wants to carry on where I left off please feel free to make me an offer before it either gets stored in the attic and forgotten about or finds its way onto ebay
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher November 25, 2011, 13:02:58
good to hear trikes have taken off. sad to hear the boat stops, will miss your reports.Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 January 22, 2012, 07:29:56
Decided not to sell it and get off my fat lazy backside n get some more of it done. I am now in need of help. Someone told me about a club in Glasgow who hold building meets on a Wednesday I think it was. Who was it and where are the meets????
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher January 22, 2012, 10:28:33
welcome back, funny how inclement weather gets you going again, Al
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Norry M January 23, 2012, 05:56:21
...Hi Haggis1138...

I have sent you a PM regarding build nights at our club in Glasgow...

...Best Regards...norry...
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: woodbutcher January 23, 2012, 17:26:32
don't know if they let Haggis out at night.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 January 25, 2012, 21:44:10
Yep they do let me out, well the missus does. What others dont know wont harm em.  :) :)

Tis not really the bad weather thats spurned me on. I am one of these folks who when gets a problem wont ask for help when I know I should.

My problem is now I am at the stage where I need to start fastening big chunks together and some of them chunks need painted first. Like the inside of the hull and inside floors etc etc. I am a little lost as to what to do next really and I thought that a little help and encouragement might get me back ouyt into my bomb shelter

Norry, thanks for that I will be in touch after this coming weekend as I am moving workshops.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 June 20, 2012, 07:22:27
 ^-^ folks Im back on planet tug. Moved all my stuff back into the spare bedroom after evicting the wet behind the ears lodger. So you can all expect some more build pics and also lots of stupid mundane questions.
Ill start here with. Is there a max length for the rods connecting the rudder to the servo. I would like to place my servo where I can get my big hands in to sort it when I break it. but this means the connecting rod will be nearly 250mm long.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Model Tug Man June 20, 2012, 11:05:22
As long as it doesn't flex too much and is supported, I run mine through tubing or screw in eyes, it should be ok.

Welcome back.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 July 16, 2012, 12:09:07
Quick question. How much rotation on ones rudders from left to right does one need. Just setting up the steering before I think about glueing the deck down.
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Puffin July 16, 2012, 13:21:11
45 degrees .                              puffin   
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Sudbury II July 17, 2012, 09:55:24
That's handy to know...thanks puffin ;)
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 July 20, 2012, 19:51:59
Thats why I have been struggling. Was trying to get too much. Will be a doddle now I know. Pic coming later
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 July 23, 2012, 20:02:29
Next question. The servo has more travel than is required. Is this adjustable? I dont want it to try and tear its self  out of its mounting if my big numb fingers go to hard on the radio
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: FLJ July 29, 2012, 00:03:19
Next question. The servo has more travel than is required. Is this adjustable? I dont want it to try and tear its self  out of its mounting if my big numb fingers go to hard on the radio
No it doesn't! If you want the ends of the pushrod to move less linear distance (i.e. for the rudder to turn less in each direction)  then use a hole nearer the centre of the servo disc, or one on the tiller arm further away from the centre - or both. Of course you could buy a computer radio and adjust the travel volume electronically, but that's cheating.
FLJ
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 November 18, 2012, 11:31:55
Weyhey folks. An update at last. I have been doing some head scratching to get the rudder servo mounted. Also been to Sturgis Bike week, Moved my workshop into a bigger industrial unit, and changed jobs. Who says life is boring???
Anyway I am going off topic.
I have been struggling to get the rudder servo located and fixed down but with a little perseverance I finally got there. Here are a few pics with my progress.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/021-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/022-5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/023-4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/haggis1138/Yorkie%20Tug%20Build/026-2.jpg)

Hope I have got it right as its all glued down now
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 January 18, 2013, 21:52:54
Bad cold weather forces play.

Tis too cold to go into my new huge workshop. 35 meters by 20 meters. Aint I lucky?

Well as its soooooooo big I aint going in there till the weather warms up a bit. So I have been doing some more to me model.

Yea yea I know you want pics. Well I have been too lazy to take any but I promise I will tonight. I have been attempting to assemble white metal parts and so far have assembled the crane and am half way through the anchor winch. Aint these parts small n fiddly. I have huge hands.
So far I have managed to stick my fingers together 3 times, stuck the winch hydraulic motor to my bottom lip (Dont ask) and glue my elbow to the table. All is not good. But I am having fun.
Still trying to get some parts from the german company who wont answer email, only want paid by bank transfer in euros.

Ok folks pics layer 
: Re: Model Slipway 2010 Yorkshireman (How not to build it)
: Haggis1138 May 02, 2013, 21:10:50
I have now admitted defeat due to time constraints and other things not worth mentioning.
So reluctantly I have put it up for sale and have listed it on ebay.

To see the auction please Click here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321119567194)