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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Off Shore Support Vessels => : chrisuk March 05, 2011, 14:25:12

: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 05, 2011, 14:25:12
Well i no i have said this before, but i think i will get this tug an not sell it in a few weeks. Iam waiting on the chap who is selling it to get some more pictures for me to have a look at, an try an pick it up Tuesday when i pass by. I am happy to try an tidy it up, if it needs it?

I am looking at settling on the 1/50th scale at the moment, but would really appreciate an information about the tug. I can make out what looks like intrepid, but looking online iam finding a US aircraft carrier with Concorde on???

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/IMG_0030web.jpg)

Any relative information, or direction would be much grateful
: Re: settling on the tug
: chrisuk March 07, 2011, 14:10:57
Well the tug looks to be mine, with a collection tomorrow. Looking at the views with not many posts iam guessing that not many no what its based on :(

Not to worry somone may find out, or i will
: Re: settling on the tug
: Norry M March 08, 2011, 02:47:42
...Hi Guys...

One of the easiest ways of finding what scale a model is built in is to measure the size of the doors...Then  calculate the scale from there...

...Best Regards...Norry
: Re: settling on the tug
: mersey dave March 08, 2011, 03:46:03
but looking online iam finding a US aircraft carrier with Concorde on???

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/IMG_0030web.jpg)

Any relative information, or direction would be much grateful

That would be one hell of a size aircraft carrier for concord to land and take off. ??? ???

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug
: Sudbury II March 08, 2011, 08:41:20
Good luck with your purchase; and please post some pics when you get it!

Suds
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 10, 2011, 10:15:26
Well i no have the tug taken the pictures an the info is as follows,

The doors are 42mm high
Windows 10x15mm
Hand rails on the bridge 20mm
Rails on AFT deck 50mm
Tyres 40mm to 50mm
RIB 150mm

The pictures,

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09403.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09407.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09405.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09406.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09411.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09413.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09408.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09414.jpg)

will let you no how it goes when i find out how low i can go to lower it into the water ;D

So iam still not sure off the scale, or any idea what its based on ???
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 10, 2011, 10:41:57
just can only get one motor to fire up grrr
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: poll March 10, 2011, 11:14:15
Hi Chrisuk.  Have you tried  power straight to the motor, but it looks burnt out to me.

John
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: Cragsider March 10, 2011, 12:14:25
Hi Chrisuk.  Have you tried  power straight to the motor, but it looks burnt out to me.

John

I would say it definatley is burnt John, A squick sniff inside the hull should confirm it.

If you are confident with an electric Multi-meter/tester, set it for Amps DC, connect it in series with the offending motor and see if it has an amp draw when operated.

Alternatively disconect the motors from their supply (Important to do this, as your tester wont like supply voltage up it, when checking resistance or continuity) set your meter for resistance and just check the resistance across each motor, see if you have a wildly varying reading between motors, or even a closed or open circuit which will confirm the motors up the swannee.

Peter.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 10, 2011, 12:25:11
If you are confident with an electric Multi-meter/tester, set it for Amps DC

I dont have one off these let alone no how to use one ;D

your right it does look  >:D not a good start found a few broken wires as well

suppose you get what you pay for

: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chipchase March 10, 2011, 13:24:34
Hi Chris what size is your new AHT
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 10, 2011, 13:30:17
Sorry its 55inches long with a beam 13inches wide. or 1400mm x 330mm  ;D

so it is big just like i always wanted  :) :)

just a bit big to go any where so its back in its house the boot an rear seat folded down - the car  ;D

: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 11, 2011, 08:53:09
Also my korts are around 55mm diamiter an 20mm long the props 45-50mm so these are a bit small an need upgrading i would say. so this would not help my motor issue as i will just burn them out
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 11, 2011, 09:14:36
Also my korts are around 55mm diamiter an 20mm long the props 45-50mm so these are a bit small an need upgrading i would say. so this would not help my motor issue as i will just burn them out


Your motor will not burn out if the props are a bit small, it works the other way props that are to big demand to much from the motor hence they burn out.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 11, 2011, 09:57:29
oh ok, thanks. what props/korts should i have on a model off this size? an motors?
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 12, 2011, 08:42:19
Just got it into the bath, i have a new question how far should it be sitting in the water. I have 2 6v an 1 12v battries in it. But not sure if it quite right. iam still not sure about what the power is like as i am a motor down but thats not the question.

the boat has a false bottom flood chamber thing will that help or should i use dead/working waight?

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09415.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09416.jpg)

not sure if you can quite see it though.

Iam looking to get the mmm T12 motors will these be ok
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: Footski March 12, 2011, 11:43:45
She looks to be floating okay in the water and those T12 motors are very good and powerful. plenty for what you want.. :) :)
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: sea.mariner March 12, 2011, 12:18:36
Glad you got the model Chris  :)

Just a quick comment ; She is an Anchor Handler, therefore the capstain that is situated 'midships' ahead of the roller needs to be removerd as does the bulwark that is also next to it, an anchor is designed to come onto the deck via the roller and pulled up the deck, in the case of your model 'no-can-do'.

Regards, Dan.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 12, 2011, 13:08:08
As for the depth iam happy then :), an thank you sea.mariner about the capstain an bulwark as soon as i saw it my 1st thought. but they are not an issue as the mo. My man one is the motor, i got it out why do people build boats an but the motors in before they but the deck an supports in :o. well over an hour to get out the motor 4 screws which were all diffrent heads but an inch long angry

Well the motor is a decaperm 6v done a google search one shop 100 :o :o. who makes them ferrari???

what are they like though, how reliable are they what sort off warrenty an service do you get, or not bother an get diffrent, as mmm do the T12 which footski says will do, or there is the T24 or BF24? big props an korts mmm told me for that so iam rulling them out at present
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: dumbplum March 12, 2011, 13:23:34
For those size props (if you're keeping them the same), a pair of MMB 755 motors would be perfect. Two new motors, and two korts from MMB will be 15 more than just the one T12. I know what I'd choose...
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 12, 2011, 15:08:57
thanks i just gave mmb a shoot he will be getting some in next week think i will give them a go have to safe a few quid as the heart an brains needs sorting as well
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: woodbutcher March 12, 2011, 18:55:38
I run decaperms in my boats and find them to be extremely reliable, quiet,powerful, lots of torque at low revs,low amperage draw,can't beat them. Probably have a 2.75/1 gear reduction and will turn props at least up to 3/12" or 87mm. If I were you Iwould try to fix it or at least save the good one for a worthwhile future project.Al
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 13, 2011, 03:42:01
dont think the one can be fixed looks a bit burnt out. as for the other will look at a new project in the future. may get these mmb 750s an try them if not use the mmm T motors. sent action an email but didnt suggest anything just said look at website an get new motors.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 13, 2011, 04:37:24
looking at the action website the P94 looks to do the job, twin motors an thrusters, (might add a stern) i did send an email an had a reply from them. In other news tried that dead motor, as suggested earlier by oll an Cragsider and it does work, must the esc which does not :( So spent a lifetime getting it out an it works, it looks like black greese (marmite colour) :-[.

But may put it back in an get new esc's an try again  :) cheaper option at the moment
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 13, 2011, 05:28:18
Chris have you checked to see if there is power getting to the esc's.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 13, 2011, 05:53:05
power to one but stripped the boat down an found that there is a burnt wire from the speed controller to what looked like the burnt motor so now iam not sure what is up, is it the motor or was it the speed controller.???

motor works with direct power but could do with a bit more go but will look deeper
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 13, 2011, 06:03:10
Chris you say the wire from the speed controller the motor has burnt out, now this must be joined by a terminal block or some other method if it is and the burnt out wire is from this connection to the motor then i would replace with new wire an re check. Also make sure you insert in line fuses in order to protect your esc's and motors from this happening again.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 13, 2011, 06:13:41
was joined to a terminal block yes but also had going in was the second controller a pump for the fire jets an bow thruster, it did look  >:D so i will sort this an try again, as for a fuse it didnt not have one where should i place this an what size should i fit
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 13, 2011, 06:25:15
Chris i my self have a fuse between the battery and esc and another one between the esc and motor.
As for the size of fuse the way i do it is if say the speed controller is say 25 amps i would have a fuse of 20 amps or even lower if i can.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: woodbutcher March 13, 2011, 07:34:28
if those decaperms are 6 volt, they only draw 7 amps at stall, I normally use a 10 amp fuse which only blows if I fill the 3" nozzle with ice or some other flotsom, that and #13 wire means no burnt motors or wires.Al
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 13, 2011, 09:18:14
ok thanks, well my plan is to glean up the motor a bit, remove so off the dirty looking grease an refit it. from there i will look to rewire the tug. Might leave out the truster for the moment till i no the motors work. then do the thruster properley with a small speed controller not a servo with little switches.

any thing else i should no be fore i start an fail ;D
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 13, 2011, 11:06:19
i have re wired the motors an speed controllers but the one makes a arcing sound but no power is it ok for me to run the boat on one speed controller an 12v battery or is this not a good idea?

The speed controller is a CE SYSTEMS type does anybody know where i can get a new one or even who makes them?
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 15, 2011, 14:24:37
both motors, both speed controllers an bow thruster works. A bit off a wire tidy tomorrow an take for a sale thursday :D :D

Then down to sorting out the deck an super structure.  confused, still not sure what its based on but will make it up to look like something
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: tugs53 March 15, 2011, 17:13:26
How did you get the 'dud' one going?
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 16, 2011, 05:24:44
Dont no took all wires out off there connections an re wired it again. Put a  :D10amp fuse in line an at worked
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 16, 2011, 05:34:23
So it sounds like you have done what i said..........Rewire and check again.

It never helps having burnt out wire, Glad to see you have fitted an inline fuse.

Good luck with the rest.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 16, 2011, 09:03:14
Yes i did thank you for the help. If the light is ok when i test i will put up some pictures, maybe a video. Next yob hopefully will be a structal refit. An try an get it to look like what every AHT it is bassed on???
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: tugs53 March 16, 2011, 20:05:39
The hull looks much like one of the big Maersk tugs, but the wheelhouse looks a tad short and the stacks are different..

http://modeltugforum.com/index.php?topic=3264.msg39915#msg39915

Just my view..
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: woodbutcher March 16, 2011, 21:31:36
I was in the hobby shop today and the Robbie, Mr Darby kit kit looked pretty close. Same hull and deck fittings.Al
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 17, 2011, 12:48:06
Well no pictures or video :( :(.

To start with think its wired up wrong ???, the motors would not push it probley  ;D.

An it SUNK angry, well not quite but if i had left it go a bit more it would have, got in the water an pushed it to the side but took 3 off us to lift it out ;D ;D

it was not rough though so cant work out where its coming from???

back to the drawing board or is it just me an cant pick a boat? Maybe i should have left it an walked away  :'(
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: tugs53 March 17, 2011, 20:23:19
Don`t give up so easy!!
It`s a used model, so there`s bound to be some quirks involved.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 17, 2011, 21:52:11
True, just dont really have anywhere to do any major works on the model
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: ray28507 March 18, 2011, 00:33:03
the first place to look would be the shafts  & thrusters   also if you were running the model  look up the anchor ports ( i hade a part built yorkshireman  that was taking lots of water!!)  it was the anchorports they was not glued in very well!!   so give them a look    regards ray
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 18, 2011, 02:11:55
Well no pictures or video :( :(.

To start with think its wired up wrong ???, the motors would not push it probley  ;D.

An it SUNK angry, well not quite but if i had left it go a bit more it would have, got in the water an pushed it to the side but took 3 off us to lift it out ;D ;D

it was not rough though so cant work out where its coming from???

back to the drawing board or is it just me an cant pick a boat? Maybe i should have left it an walked away  :'(

The motors would not push.................Have you checked that you have a left and right prop, if so check to see if they are rotating in the right direction.


You can't see where the water is getting in..................if you can put a light inside the boat and then check to see if any light is getting out........ie cracks ect.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 18, 2011, 10:21:15
Tried the torch can see any light coming through, as for the motor i think i have the wires on the wrong side they are both the same?

which way should the props spin for it to work
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 18, 2011, 10:25:46
Can you add a photo of the rear of the boat close up so we can see the props.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 18, 2011, 10:28:31
yep here is one,

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09414.jpg)

 :)
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 18, 2011, 10:32:13
OK Chris. looking at the photo the the right prop should spin clockwise....the left one anticlockwise.

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 18, 2011, 13:35:23
Ok the props seem to be going the correct way now, i had the wires the wrong way around on the motor. ;D

But as for the water, tried the tourch there was light from every where, but this was coming through the false bottom?
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 20, 2011, 15:13:32
went out with the tug again motors work now, bow thruster well thats a diffrent story nice an quite one way, the other sounds like a cat stuck in a horn  ;D ;D. OH DEAR.

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09432.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09430.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09423.jpg)
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/chrisholleyuk/DSC09421.jpg)

although it took on a lot off water, not happy cant work out where from. the water was flat, a bit boring for a test really :'(
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: Sudbury II March 20, 2011, 15:20:42
She sure looks good on the water!!

As for the water coming in...but her in your bathtub.. remove the housework...and run her for a while; while WATCHING what's happening in the bilge.

Sounds to be like your shaft tubes may be lacking sealant; but some observation will tell the story!
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 20, 2011, 15:28:28
My mother did not like it in the bat, lol. Suppose thats the issue with living with parents. Dont think its the shafts they have been greesed, may check them again.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: ixion March 21, 2011, 12:27:09
I see this is on ebay now?
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 21, 2011, 12:28:47
yep cant work on it. :'(
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: tugs53 March 21, 2011, 16:47:45
Yikes...yer giving up way too easily Chris.

It's a fine looking model, and with some patience and effort, would be a fine runner.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 21, 2011, 18:59:34
Well this is out my hands, as i have no where to keep it my beedroom floor is not practical my mother said it had to go. I guess thats one off the many pit falls off living with the parents. I started to sell off my boat stuff to fund the restoration now some off that has gone iam told to get rid off the tug.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chipchase March 22, 2011, 01:03:16
You would be better of putting your money into a flat Chris (no parents to worry about)  ;D ;D ;D
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 22, 2011, 02:12:22
Yep your right i would be. If my cousion let me keep the tug in his shed i would be happy but he said no. An then asked me to list his smit tug on flebay
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: mersey dave March 22, 2011, 06:36:40
Hi Chris what price are you looking for??

Regards Dave.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 22, 2011, 06:40:53
220 iam ask
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chipchase March 22, 2011, 14:09:15
I think this has already been sold on the Mayhem Forum  confused confused

: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: Umi_Ryuzuki March 22, 2011, 14:32:56
Yikes...yer giving up way too easily Chris.

It's a fine looking model, and with some patience and effort, would be a fine runner.

Chris,

You need to stop buying boats you don't want...

 confused
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk March 23, 2011, 13:19:20
Umi_Ryuzuki i would have kept it, i do want it but was told it had no where to go an to get rid off it.
: Re: settling on the tug/tug aquired
: chrisuk April 04, 2011, 10:40:33
sold the tug, pity i think i found some where to work an store stuff. it happens

chris