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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Steam Tugs => : Scribe September 05, 2011, 06:01:59

: TID 164 Build
: Scribe September 05, 2011, 06:01:59
I bought a secondhand TID - 1:20 scale, Kingston Mouldings - for £180 at last weeks Convention at Haydock, what a bargain! A total runner apart from a flat 12V lead acid battery! I have dumped the old 27 MHZ system fo a newer 2.4 GHz but left the old electro-mechanical speed control to see how it behaves.....that will get changed eventually I suppose, along with the motor.

I intend to re-build as TID 164 which is preserved at Chatham.....will keep you posted!

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: Scribe September 05, 2011, 06:26:45
bought a new 12V battery and took her for first sail to the Club last Sunday. Sailed very well at first but got much worse later. When I took her out to put in the car found the reason. The prop was something I had never seen before.....a 70 mm 4 bladed VARIABLE pitch! Two of the blades had become broken which explained the worsening sail.

Decided to replace all the running gear. It had a 6:1 geared torpedo 500 motor which ran very hot. Decided to replace with a MFA 950D Single Ratio Metal Gearbox 6:1 motor and a new Marx waterproof prop shaft. Do you think the new motor is adequate?
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: Footski September 05, 2011, 06:40:56
That is what I call a bargain....Seems to be well built too.
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: thamestug September 05, 2011, 08:34:18
You have probably seen them but lots of detail pics of TID 164 which I uploaded on page 2 of the steam tugs section.
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: zeevaart1 September 05, 2011, 08:48:51
Thats a realy nice bargain.
Shame about your variable pitch.
I wish you good luck with it.
About the torpedo 500 I think he is too small.
That's why they get too hot.
With a gearbox he can do the job better
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: Scribe September 05, 2011, 08:54:27
You have probably seen them but lots of detail pics of TID 164 which I uploaded on page 2 of the steam tugs section.
Yup, very helpful ;D
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: Model Tug Man September 06, 2011, 04:40:39
Nice looking tug, Alan. Best of luck with it.

You may want to check your thrust surface if she is running really hot. Had a similar problem many years ago.
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: Scribe September 06, 2011, 05:22:31
.....You may want to check your thrust surface if she is running really hot. Had a similar problem many years ago.
Cheers mate. ;D Being a total newbie to model boats, came from model railroads, could you explain in  a little more depth about "thrust surface etc" :o

TIA ;)
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: zeevaart1 September 06, 2011, 07:38:43
If you have an engine without gearbox.
Then you make sure that your prop is not bigger in diameter than your engine.
Otherwise you're using too much power.
And you can burn your engine or your controller.
You can put your boat in the water.
And then with a multimeter to check your amps consumption.
Is your ampere consumption to high.
Then you must change your setup.
For example, use a smaller prop or use a engine with a gearbox.
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: Scribe September 06, 2011, 07:51:54
As I said above I plan to use a MFA 950D motor fitted with a Single Ratio Metal Gearbox 6:1 driving a 70mm prop http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/mfa_950d61.html. Do you think this will be suitable? ;D
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: Model Tug Man September 06, 2011, 08:06:02
Some folks allow the leading surface of the prop hub to push against the shaft tube bushing which transfers the ptop thrust to the hull. I usually place a couple of washers here. Oddly enough water is a fairly good lubricant if you can get enough of it. Other set-ups have the shaft transfering the thrust to the bearings in the motor. Either way you should check the drag and the amp usage suggested by Zeevart1 is a great place to start.
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: zeevaart1 September 06, 2011, 08:38:57
I think you mean a different engine.
When you look at the picture you see 810:1 and that's too slow.
I always use a ratio of 3:1.
Another tip from ModelTugMan.
You should check also your lubrication of the shaft.
If you decoupling your engine from your shaft.
You can also feel with your hand, or he turns to heavy or not.
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: Scribe September 06, 2011, 08:59:39

When you look at the picture you see 810:1 and that's too slow.

   All their pictures show the same, they use a standard picture, the gearbox is a 6:1 ratio.

The propshaft has a nice ball-race just 'north' of the prop that transfers the thrust to the main shaft. I have used this before and it performs great... http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/marx_8110.html
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: zeevaart1 September 06, 2011, 09:27:01
Oke Scribe.
than the problems are between size engine,prop and gearbox.
Just look for the right Setup.
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: ARH September 23, 2011, 06:29:12
There will be 2 TID 164 in Runcorn , my son is building one but his has got a steam plant driving the prop.
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: Scribe September 23, 2011, 07:53:04
It will be great to see them on the lake together....what scale?
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: Model Tug Man September 23, 2011, 08:40:41
There will be 2 TID 164 in Runcorn , my son is building one but his has got a steam plant driving the prop.

Well Ron, if your son has half the talent that you have it will be a beautiful model.
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: ARH September 23, 2011, 09:33:47
Well MTM, Im sorry to say I taught him all I know, but now he is twice as good as me.

At the age of 20 he was the youngest person to win the Exide trophy at the Model Engineers in London for his research on a vessel, also got a Silver medel for the build of his SS MOONLIGHT a 1950 Clyde puffer, he,s now 43 and I have rekindeled his building of ships.
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: Model Tug Man September 23, 2011, 09:49:29
That's great, Ron. Do you have any pictures of his work?
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: ARH November 11, 2011, 15:44:36
Hi MTM, Here,s a photo of my sons TID ,
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: Sudbury II November 13, 2011, 14:29:40
Very nice!

Nice work on the smoke stack!
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: ARH November 13, 2011, 15:00:32
Thank's Suds, Here is a close up.
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: Model Tug Man November 15, 2011, 07:22:53
Beautiful work. Very nice.
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: Sudbury II November 15, 2011, 12:43:56
Superb detail work.
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: ARH November 15, 2011, 15:19:17
Thanks Guys, here's the boiler.
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: tugs53 November 15, 2011, 17:26:51
Nice tidy installation!
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: Tiny69 November 18, 2011, 00:01:46
It is always good to receive positive feedback from other modellers. I have been working on this model on and off since 2002 after buying the steam plant and hull.  I will keep you all posted on its progress.

Anthony

Son of ARH
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: Footski November 18, 2011, 00:20:29
Welcome to the son of ARH.....Big shoes to fill there Anthony!!!

Your build is beautiful and I for one look forward to seeing more of her..
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: thelongbuild November 18, 2011, 05:09:20
Nice tidy installation!

Yes don't you just hate them for that.. ;D
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: Tiny69 November 20, 2011, 01:21:20
Just some photographs of the first coat of primer on the hull and superstructure.
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: ARH November 20, 2011, 02:13:21
Well son, From what ive seen of your build, its going to be another classic.

You have not lost your touch for turning out good work even with a long lay off. :) :)
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: ARH November 21, 2011, 02:39:34
How the superstructure fits over the boiler and the funnel,  :) :)
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: Tiny69 November 22, 2011, 12:59:17
I have been working on the hull starting with the off set anchor portal in the bow and then a second coat of primer on the superstructure ready for yet more sanding.

Anthony
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: Tiny69 November 22, 2011, 13:03:02
I have been working on the hull starting with the off set anchor portal in the bow and then a second coat of primer on the superstructure ready for yet more sanding.

Anthony
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: Sudbury II November 22, 2011, 14:17:57
Looking good Anthony.
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: Tiny69 November 23, 2011, 10:30:19
Thanks Suds,

Been doing some more work on it this week, mainly on the superstructure and some deck fittings.  Will upload some more photographs of my progress soon.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 November 28, 2011, 10:31:51
As promised a few more photo's.  I have given the superstructure a bit of colour.

Tiny
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: ARH November 28, 2011, 15:24:57
Begining to take shape.  :) :)
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: Sudbury II November 28, 2011, 19:57:49
I'll second that!!


Suds
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: Tiny69 November 30, 2011, 10:23:17
Here are some more photo's showing the front of the superstructure tanks and the steam plant.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 November 30, 2011, 12:55:10
Started building the windlass from the drawing I produced on AutoCAD.  Some old gears, 3mm diameter shafts, copper tube for bearings and some platicard for the brake housing.

Tiny
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: tugs53 December 01, 2011, 08:43:07
With that much detail; you could make the winch operational.

Looking good Tiny!!
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: Tiny69 December 01, 2011, 11:31:29
The objective is to make a working replica even though in reality the full size windlass is hand operated.  All the gears mesh together and are a tight fit on the shafts so hopefully they should all rotate.  This is the beauty of working at 1:24 scale.  The next step is to build the windlass structure to mount everything on.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 December 04, 2011, 02:18:03
Some more progress on the windlass. Just the warping drums to add.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 December 06, 2011, 11:30:56
Two fairleads made from 25 x 5mm brass strip soldered togther.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 December 09, 2011, 04:40:36
Completed windlass

Tiny
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: Model Tug Man December 15, 2011, 07:04:52
Very nice work.
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: tugs53 December 15, 2011, 11:19:06
Awesome!!
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: Tiny69 December 18, 2011, 02:33:14
I have been making the two name boards that are mounted either side of the funnel. First I cut out the board from 1mm thick plasticard and the soldered together the brass support frame and locating brackets.

Next I had to produce the lettering T.I.D. 164 so I used my PC to create the artwork and then printed them onto some waterslide decal paper. The lettering is black with a red outline so I created two sets one black and one red. The red letters where applied first and the the black over the top.

Tiny
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: ARH December 18, 2011, 04:47:54
Looking good, :) :)
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: tugnut December 18, 2011, 07:47:58
Looking very good :) :)
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: Tiny69 December 18, 2011, 09:34:07
The port and starboard navigation lights are brass tube with brass sheet soldered on top which I then filed to shape. The lights are clear LED 8mm diameter which light up either red or green. The lightboxes are just thin plywood painted black inside and either red or green.

The funnel mounted stern light is made from 13mm diameter brass tube cut in half to give the half round shape with 1mm thick plastic sheet for the back and end pieces. The light is a clear 5mm diameter LED with thin magnet wire soldered to the cathode and anode and twisted together to simulate a flex wire. The magnet wire has a lacquer coating so not electrical short occurs.

Tiny
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: ARH December 18, 2011, 15:23:29
Nicely done tiny, will call to see them when im feeling better. :)
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: tugs53 December 18, 2011, 15:25:29
Very nice work!!

Great idea with the decals.
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: Model Tug Man December 20, 2011, 05:00:00
What can you say--the man does nice work.

Ron,

Hope you are feeling better soon. Certainly for the holiday.
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: Tiny69 December 20, 2011, 10:29:02
Thanks for all the comments.  I always try to improve with each model I build and have picked up some useful tips and techniques browsing through the many posts on this forum.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 December 23, 2011, 09:57:55
Today I have been working on finishing off the anchor davit I started a few weeks ago.  The pulley block is sheet brass folded and filed to shape and glued in place.

Tiny
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: tugs53 December 23, 2011, 10:43:23
Nice brasswork Tiny!!
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: Tiny69 December 27, 2011, 07:25:43
Today I have been doing a bit of work on the bow by making the bulwark stantions and anti slip bars on the deck. The stantions are 1mm thick plasticard each cut to the appropriate angles and glued in place. The anti slip bars on the deck are 0.5mm thick plasticard cut in to 2mm wide strips.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 January 15, 2012, 09:22:15
Well after my christmas and New Year break in Switzerland I am back home and have been doing a bit more work on the TID. More bulwalk stantions cut and glued in place down the sides and around the stern.

Tiny
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: ARH January 15, 2012, 15:19:43
Looking good Tiny.  :) :)
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: islander January 15, 2012, 15:22:45
Acurate too!

Nice work Tiny.
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: sea monkey January 16, 2012, 20:55:38
Very nice.
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: Tiny69 January 18, 2012, 11:29:38
Very nice.

Thanks for the comments Sea Monkey.

Are you building anything?

Tiny
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: Tiny69 January 19, 2012, 06:40:25
Today I have been finishing the bulwarks by adding the top rail using 1mm thick plasticard cut into 5mm wide strips.  I started at the bow and work my way to the stern bending them into shape.  The edge was sanded to give a neat finish.

Tiny
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: ARH January 19, 2012, 07:06:16
Thats looking good Tiny,  ;) ;)
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: Model Tug Man January 19, 2012, 07:09:07
Nice work, Tiny. She is going to be a show piece.
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: Tiny69 January 26, 2012, 11:50:29
I have been working on the steering gear and chain channels that run down the side of the superstructure.  The channels are 4x3mm U section brass cut to length. 

The chain pulleys either side of the rudder quadrant are from sheet plasticard cut into 15x15mm squares with a brass rod placed in the centre perpendicular to the base.  Then in each corner a 0.65mm diameter hole was drilled to allow for the simulated bolt to fit in.

Where the chain enters the superstructure I have positioned a pulley with an angled cover made from 1mm thick plasticard, drilled and pinned in place.

Tiny
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: zeevaart1 January 26, 2012, 13:05:55
Nice work.
Great looking model.
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: ARH January 26, 2012, 14:52:08
Some fine work there Tiny, its going to look very good.  :) :)
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: tugs53 January 26, 2012, 17:56:31
Building first class models certainly runs in your family. :) :)

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: Tiny69 February 04, 2012, 11:06:13
Glazing the wheelhouse

I have cut from clear plastic sheet each window and tacked in place with white pva glue.  The window surrounds, using 3mm x 0.5mm mahogany strip are the glued in place, first the uprights then the horizontal pieces.  I have made the rear window so it looks like it is open.  The sliding door is also from the mahogany strip with each piece taped into position whilst the glue dries.  Still got to make the four side fixed glazed units.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 February 04, 2012, 11:17:07
Glazing the Wheelhouse

The top of the wheelhouse slotted back into position on the superstructure.

Tiny
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: ARH February 05, 2012, 03:35:08
Looking very neat and tidy,  :) :) coming along nicely.
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: Footski February 05, 2012, 04:37:48
Superb. Simply superb.. :D
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: Model Tug Man February 07, 2012, 05:21:02
WOW! Nice job, Tiny. I hope mine turns out that nice.
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: Tiny69 February 11, 2012, 04:04:58
I have been continuing work on the steering gear by making the roller blocks that are positioned between the steering channels sections.  Each one contains two rollers that the steering rods pass through.  Each one is 8mm high by 4mm wide with 3mm diameter rollers.

Tiny
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: ARH February 12, 2012, 03:27:24
Very nice Tiny, its the small stuff that makes the difference, keep it going , im interestesed. :) :)
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: Model Tug Man February 13, 2012, 10:15:17
Great detail, Tiny. Looking really nice.
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: tugs53 February 13, 2012, 10:19:48
Superb!!
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: Tiny69 February 17, 2012, 07:34:35
Ships Wheel

After drawing up the octagonal design I set up the small jig from plywood, drilled the centre boss with eight holes and cut 1mm diameter brass to form the wheels spokes. I superglued the ends of the spokes to the plywood to hold them in place and then soldered the centre boss to hold the spokes. I made three attempts until I was happy with the wheels rim to look right.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 February 23, 2012, 05:14:01
After finishing the ships wheel I went on to build the steering chain assembly using some plastic gears, brass sheet, bits of plastic sheet and steel rods.  I spent a few hours cutting and filing the 2mm thick brass sheet to make the two supports, carefully drilling the holes to locate the two shafts.

Tiny
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: ARH February 23, 2012, 08:01:47
A nice piece of work Tiny,   :) :)
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: Tiny69 February 29, 2012, 11:27:05
More Wheel house fittings

The compass housing, top of the telegraph and voice pipe to engine room.

All made from various bits of brass, copper and plastic sheet.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 February 29, 2012, 11:29:33
Wheelhouse floor grating.

First I measured the size of the floor, marked this onto a piece of card and then secured it to the cutting mate with clear tape. I then marked the position of the ships wheel and placed the four support planks onto the card. Starting from the centre working outwards I glued each individual plank in place using white PVA glue. I used a piece of 1mm thick brass to space each of the 3mm wide planks.

Tiny
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: tugs53 February 29, 2012, 12:39:47
The grating looks great Tiny!
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: Model Tug Man March 01, 2012, 04:36:22
Yes, like Mike said, great grate. She is looking good, Tiny. You are doing a fine job.
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: Tiny69 March 03, 2012, 08:32:27
Wheelhouse Telegraph

To complete the telegraph I turned a pedestal with a taper from 10mm brass on my lathe. I produced the dial detail on my PC using microsoft publisher with the black face and white markings only measuring 11mm in diameter. I printed it on plain white paper on the draft setting, cut it out and glued it in place with 'Pritt Stick' paper glue.

Tiny
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: islander March 03, 2012, 09:06:21
Hey that turned (pardon the pun) out really fine!

Good job Tiny.
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: tugs53 March 03, 2012, 09:32:02
Nice work Tiny   (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-score010.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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: sea monkey March 05, 2012, 20:07:01
Very nice. Watch out for that paper glue. It can just peel off if it gets any direct sunlight.
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: Model Tug Man March 14, 2012, 06:26:09
You should sell those--really nice.
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: Tiny69 March 18, 2012, 08:07:57
Time to finish off the hull ready for painting so I have to tacke the six wash ports. First I marked out the positions, then drilled some holes to allow me to file to shape.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 March 18, 2012, 08:09:36
One done, 5 more to go.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 March 18, 2012, 08:11:45
All six complete.

Tiny
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: Sudbury II March 18, 2012, 09:29:41
Those are always a chore...those washports.

Nice work Tiny.
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: Tiny69 March 20, 2012, 11:26:15
Time for another coat of paint after filling all the minor blemishes on the deck and hull.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 March 20, 2012, 11:28:20
I also gave the funnel its first coat too.

Tiny
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: ARH March 21, 2012, 10:33:28
 ^-^ Tiny, what a diffence a coat of paint doe's to the looks of a model, looking forward to more updates.  cool
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: Tiny69 March 22, 2012, 01:28:03
The next stage was to fit the wooden rubbing strips around the hull. I cut each section into 6 inch (150mm) lengths and glued them in place. I roughed up the edges to simulate the wear and tear they would get during the tugs working life.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 March 22, 2012, 01:31:18
Next I drilled and pinned along the top edge to simulated the holding pins.

Tiny
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: Footski March 22, 2012, 03:08:50
Beautiful work :)
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: Model Tug Man March 22, 2012, 06:10:30
All of that little detail work is what makes a big difference. Keep up the good work.
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: Tiny69 March 29, 2012, 10:03:03
Time to paint the inside of the bulwarks so I masked off the top rail with low tack masking tape and the used newspaper to cover the rest of the outside of the hull. The paint was applied in thin coats allowing each to dry before applying the next to build up the depth of paint without any runs. Once dry the newspaper and masking tape was removed.

Tiny
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: ARH March 29, 2012, 13:38:16
  ^-^ Looking very good Tiny,
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: islander March 29, 2012, 15:43:05
Very Nice Indeed!
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: Tiny69 April 01, 2012, 07:14:03
Time to do some work on the four bollards that sit alongside the bulwarks for mooring the ship to the quayside. They are quite simple to make from a brass tube with a hole drilled through about half way up and the cross bar soldered in place. The top is filled with solder and filed to shape.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 April 08, 2012, 06:56:19
The tug as progressed with the painting of the deck, brick red and the application of the 2mm wide vinyl white stripe around the top of the bulwarks. For Easter I received a name plate to go on the display stand from my Mum & Dad.

Tiny
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: Model Tug Man April 09, 2012, 12:02:17
Very nice, Tiny.
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: tugs53 April 09, 2012, 15:08:58
A work of art! cool
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: Tiny69 April 26, 2012, 06:45:34
I haven't been doing much building in the past few weeks but I did pay a visit to Intermodellbau in Dortmund last week and was impressed with some model river tugs on display,  I had a great two days looking at the many models on display, not only boats but planes, trains, trucks and trade stands.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 April 26, 2012, 06:52:11
Overall view of the Tug.

And a nice paddle steamer
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: Model Tug Man April 27, 2012, 03:37:20
Good shots, Tiny. Thanks for posting. Really like the tug. Thinking rivers and canals for that one, eh?
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: Scribe May 08, 2012, 08:36:22
Some photos taken last week at Chatham-
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: Scribe May 08, 2012, 08:37:34
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: Scribe May 08, 2012, 08:38:28
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: Tiny69 May 14, 2012, 07:58:23
Some good photo's there Alan

Funnel Update

The first stage was to spray under coat the funnel with red oxide paint and allow it to throughly dry. Next using Archers Finescale surface decals I applied the decals to simulate the welds on the funnel and left them to dry for a few days. A final coat of red oxide to seal the transfers before I applied the first coats of Navy yellow. Again I left this to dry for a few days to ensure the paint wouldn't lift when applying the masking tape for the top section of the funnel. Finally the top section was sprayed black and the counter balance weights added.

Regards

Tiny
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: Tiny69 May 19, 2012, 23:03:52
I have now completed the steering rod/chain channels that run down the side of the main superstructure and across the rear deck to the rudder quadrant under the grating. The superstructure has been given a final coat of paint too.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 May 26, 2012, 03:58:33
Planking the toilet block

Now that the final coat of paint as been applied it was now time to plank the toliet block starting with the outside frames. Using 3mm wide 0.7mm thick mahogany strips each piece is measured, cut and glued in place with superglue. Once the outside frames were complete I continued with each infill panel and door finishing off with the brass hinges and door latch.

Tiny
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: Footski May 26, 2012, 06:59:39
Very nice as usual..
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: Tiny69 May 27, 2012, 01:58:22
Today I connected everything together, filled the bolier with water, lit the burner and raised steam.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 June 03, 2012, 09:34:31
I have been concentrating on painting various fittings in the wheelhouse and the black areas on the superstructure. Also I have been wiring the LED lights in the mast and routing the wires inside the superstructure.

Tiny
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: islander June 03, 2012, 11:22:25
Awesome detail.

Love the steam whistle.
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: Tiny69 June 16, 2012, 05:07:54
Lighting

With all the LED lights fitted and the wires routed around the inside of the superstructure all that was left to do was to solder each one to the 6v battery/resistor module I had made.  Using a 15W soldering iron each wire was soldered in place ensuring the correct polarity was maintained.  Finally all the soldered joints where covered with two part epoxy glue to ensure that the joints would not be effected by any moisture.

Tiny
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: Tiny69 June 16, 2012, 05:29:23
Some photos of the tug under illumination.

Tiny
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: Footski June 16, 2012, 06:16:50
Beautiful work again.. ;)
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: Puffin June 16, 2012, 08:34:42
That is a really great build , thanks for posting .   PUFFIN
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: Tiny69 June 23, 2012, 01:36:19
Ballasting

Time to fill the internal testing tank or bath to everyone and ballast out the boat.  First I put the hull in the water and placed the steam plant inside with the boiler filled with water.  Now I could add weight using cast metal sticks each weighing 225g (8oz) each and place them inside triming up the hull so it sat correctly on the water.  With the steam plant in place I added 8 sticks in total, which is 1800g almost 4lbs.

Tiny

See below for a short video of the steam enigine working in the test tank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8eyahU8CqI
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 June 23, 2012, 01:42:50
Next I removed the steam plant and inserted the electric module, which is lighter, so had to add an additional 4 sticks increasing the ballast to 2700g (6lbs Approx.)  I permenately glued the ballast in for when I use the steam plant and left the extra weights loose so they can be easily placed inside when using thew electric module.

Tiny
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Rmay June 26, 2012, 04:46:44
My next project is going to be a TID and your build has been both inspirational and informative in my research.

Excellent work!

Love these little tugs and hope I can do them justice as much as you have in your ongoing build.


: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 June 26, 2012, 09:41:41
My next project is going to be a TID and your build has been both inspirational and informative in my research.

Excellent work!

Love these little tugs and hope I can do them justice as much as you have in your ongoing build.

Well I hope to see your build posted on the site in the near future.  Which one are you aiming to build?

Tiny
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Rmay June 27, 2012, 06:14:56
I plan to build a ďgenericĒ TID as I really donít have a specific boat in mind. I mainly post on RC Groups, in fact Iím trying to finish my current build Ė a sternwheeler towboat:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368835 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368835)

As soon as I finish that Iíll start on the TID. Thanks again for sharing your excellent build, I have gained a lot from reading.
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Towitt June 27, 2012, 10:50:08
We look forward to the build of such a fine Tug by such a skilled modeler !!!

I plan to build a ďgenericĒ TID as I really donít have a specific boat in mind. I mainly post on RC Groups, in fact Iím trying to finish my current build Ė a sternwheeler towboat:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368835 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1368835)

As soon as I finish that Iíll start on the TID. Thanks again for sharing your excellent build, I have gained a lot from reading.
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Rmay June 28, 2012, 05:04:31
Thank you sir (now sirs) for your kind words!
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tim B. June 28, 2012, 08:26:07
We look forward to the build of such a fine Tug by such a skilled modeler !!!

If Anyone can do a proper build of a TID we are confident that the well know Mr. May will do a fine job.
: Re: TID 164 Build
: tugs53 June 28, 2012, 19:05:12
Rmay

Please add your location to your profile so we have an idea where you hail from ;)
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 July 01, 2012, 11:33:08
Today was the day for the first sailing of TID 164, so after collecting all the things needed to raise steam it was off to the lake.  After checking everything and raising steam the boat was placed in the water and off she went.  I sailed around for about ten minutes and then brought it in for a quick check to ensure everything was in order.

I was really pleased with the way it sailed, just a bit of weight requied to trim it up for next time.

Here are some more photos of the occasion.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tinypurple/TID164TestDay?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJDzra_Hyv3FrwE&feat=directlink (https://picasaweb.google.com/tinypurple/TID164TestDay?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCJDzra_Hyv3FrwE&feat=directlink)

Tiny
: Re: TID 164 Build
: bourricot July 01, 2012, 13:09:59
Absolutely superb !
: Re: TID 164 Build
: ARH July 02, 2012, 04:44:04
Well son, I have to agree with the person above. ^-^ ;) ;)
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Model Tug Man July 02, 2012, 08:09:06
What Bourricot said!!!

 cool
: Re: TID 164 Build
: tugs53 July 02, 2012, 08:56:19
Fantastic work Tiny :) :)
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 July 10, 2012, 09:02:02
Here is a short video of TID 164 with a full head of steam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQNO6v_Zmlc

Tiny
: Re: TID 164 Build
: tugnut July 10, 2012, 11:38:21
VERY NICE cool
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Model Tug Man July 11, 2012, 03:32:29
She really looks great in the water. All that detil work really makes her stand out.  cool
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tim B. July 14, 2012, 06:53:39
WELL DONE !
The particular shade of yellow colour of the superstructure is very good.
I am now inspired to work on one of the last Lesro TID'S that were available and that I was lucky enough to get.
Tim
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 July 14, 2012, 23:41:02
I hope you enjoy building your TID as much as I have building mine.

Tiny
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 July 21, 2012, 02:07:56
Now that I have finished building my model of TID 164 I have been collating all my research and information and have produced an ebook of it.  It includes a brief history of the tug, many photographs I used to build the model, construction photographs and some photos of it sailing.

If any one would like to download a copy then your free to do so at the link below

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3GWA-kKklLOVDJSRXItSFJsSm8 (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3GWA-kKklLOVDJSRXItSFJsSm8)

Regards

Tiny
: Re: TID 164 Build
: ARH July 21, 2012, 02:30:50
Very well done Tiny,  ^-^ cool
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Model Tug Man July 25, 2012, 03:24:34
Tiny,

You have captured the true spirit of the Tug Forum. Learn and share with each other. And--some really nice models get built in the mean time. Well done.
: Re: TID 164 Build
: FsASTSyd1 July 25, 2012, 06:26:01
Your E Book looks great, sure it will be of great use to other builders.
Syd J cool
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 August 28, 2012, 08:36:00
On Saturday (25th August 2012) I spent the day with the "Friends of TID164" who showed me around their TID tug and I would like to thank them for their hospitality and guided tour.  It was a great opportunity to meet the people who keep this little vessel going and I thoroughly enjoyed it.   I was so impressed with their efforts I presented them with a copy of my book on the build of my model.  They loved the book and it now sits in the mess for all to read.  Keep up the good work and I hope to see her in full steam very soon.

Tiny
: Re: TID 164 Build
: ARH August 30, 2012, 04:06:48
Hi Tiny, It looks as though you enjoyed your trip. :) :)
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 March 23, 2013, 01:21:42
For those who maybe interested I have started a new project and you can follow the building by clicking on the following link

http://modeltugforum.com/index.php?topic=5136.0 (http://modeltugforum.com/index.php?topic=5136.0)

Warning, it is not a Tug...........
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 May 05, 2013, 10:34:01
A few weeks ago I decided to build a Thames Lighter to accompany my TID 164.  The design was quite simple and made mainly from balsa wood with brass towing fittings.  Here are some photographs of the two together.
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Model Tug Man May 06, 2013, 03:59:24
They go well together, Tiny. Nice job.
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Rmay July 22, 2013, 03:39:32
Tiny I am currently building a TID (Build log on RC Groups). Iím working from a set of plans from Marine Modeler and have a quick question. The plans, in 1/24 scale call for a 7 inch stack, making it around 14 feet tall. The vintage pictures of TIDs Iíve seen look like the stack is much taller. Also Iíve noticed other models of TIDs appear to have a shorten stack. Your excellent model looks to be correct. Do you have the actual measurement for the stack? Or could you let me know what height you made your stack? Iím at the point in my build where I need to go ahead and make this decision. Any help you can lend would be greatly appreciated.   
: Re: TID 164 Build
: sea monkey July 22, 2013, 14:34:18
Tiny
Great work on the ebook. Congratulations, that's a real achievement.
: Re: TID 164 Build
: tugs53 July 22, 2013, 19:46:56
I'll second that! ^-^
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 September 25, 2013, 11:40:07
Rmay,

Only just seen your post and the stack on my model is 230mm (9 inches) high.

I believe the early numbers of TID had a short funnel but the engine performance was improved with a taller funnel (stack) on the later numbers.

: Re: TID 164 Build
: Rmay October 02, 2013, 06:37:39
Thanks Tiny69.

I guessed around that on mine and should work fine. Still slowly coming along with the build over athttp://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1747254 (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1747254)
: Re: TID 164 Build
: Puffin October 03, 2013, 21:35:52
Hi tinny. Hi tug 53 , I do not have a computer now but I have this tablet , so I  have limitations but good to be back .        Puffin



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: Re: TID 164 Build
: Tiny69 August 21, 2015, 10:04:32
Last weekend while sailing my TID164 I managed to shoot some film and put together a short video of it towing the Thames Lighter I built.

Regards

Tiny

Click on the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS9lYEzU-lY