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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Steam Tugs => : bashfordg March 29, 2008, 05:18:12

: South African Steam Tugs
: bashfordg March 29, 2008, 05:18:12
Hi Guys

Just curious whether anyone is interested in South African steam tugs. (I am actually Australian) Have lots of info on them.

Cheers

Gordon
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: TugMaster March 29, 2008, 07:16:18
Hi, Bashfordg and Welcome Aboard the Tug Forum !

I voted yes to your poll and I think that you'll find all members on here are interested in ANY Tug no matter where its from, especially steam !

We are picture rich forum so any pics you have feel free to show us.

You can upload pics by clicking on the "Additional Options" within the post message box.

Look forward to any info and pics you may have.

Welcome Aboad !

Cheers

TugMaster
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: Red_Hamish March 29, 2008, 11:48:54
Ahoy there Gordon, well it is looking promising for the interest in any tug as TugMaster has said. We are definitely an inquisitive lot who appreciate any info on anything tug oriented. Keep the flow coming  ;)

cheers

Jim
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: model tugman March 29, 2008, 12:04:07
Hi Gordon  Have a look in (Any other tugs) and you will find a couple pf pictures of an SA tug lookalike,  its really a modified Imara.
I have the drawings 5 sheetsof the JR More and her sister  one day I will get around to building one.
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: bashfordg March 29, 2008, 23:16:11
Many thanks guys,

I had a sneaky little reason for asking... and am very familiar with the JR More.

Durban has two of the three remaining steam tugs left in SA. (Ulundi being the other one there)

However there is one left presently at Cape Town but not for much longer.

The "Alwyn Vintcent" is the last surviving steam pilot tug of her class, and, unlike the others was in fact Italian built in 1958.

To cut a long story short, she got herself into a bit of bother however, now she has just become privately owned and saved from the cutters torch, will shortly be coming "down under" and returning to commercial work as both tug and passenger vessel as a steamer.

I have attached a small pic of her as she was in about 2001... but a little neglected at the moment.

Some other shots taken a couple of days ago... dont like them however the "look" will be shortlived.... work is now underway.

Still have drawings of her (once converted to electronic) and her sister ships. And numerous other material.

More pics will be available next week of other internal areas, and a new website posted.

Cheers

Gordon.

Will update more in a day or two.

Cheers

Gordon

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: model tugman March 30, 2008, 00:46:48
hi gordon   I don't envy the guy who has the job of cleaning out the crankpit.

From beam on she looks very much like the old ANTIO.

look forward to more pics 

George.
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: bashfordg March 30, 2008, 03:27:10
Hi George

I had never considered that, she was one of five vessels built by Cantieri Navali e Officiene Meccaniche de Venezia for the SAR&H which had most "unusual" funnel colours...

The others were: "William Weller", " Cecil G White", SJ Harrison", and "JE Eaglesham" all virtually identical and designed along the lines of much earler period British built tugs.

Dimensions 83ft x 20ft x 11ft.  110 GRT

All machinery also made by the builder. (300 IHP Triple Expansion , Coal Fired Scotch Type Boiler, 200psi working pressure service speed 10.5 Kts....)

Have also attached a pic of the Cecil G White circa 1980. Slightly different colour scheme..
I also must admit that I had little knoweledge of Italian built steamers, however since this one am quite impressed.

Unusual as was built to both act as a tug as well as carry passengers... kind of like a cross between a launch and tugboat, hence the uncluttered aft deck, teak decks etc.

Agree with what you say re the Crank Pit... oh well someone has to do it, just thank goodness it isn't me.  ;D

Cheers

Gordon.

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: model tugman March 30, 2008, 10:39:56
Thanks Gordon    Interesting little ships, how the hell did they get away with those bulwarks

the board of trade would have had a field day over here.

have posted a couple more pics of the J.R.  More
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: tugs53 March 30, 2008, 10:45:09
Interesting boats!

That's sure a lot of machinery!!!

Mike
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: Kaskazi March 30, 2008, 13:38:50
Have you seen Robin Stobbs' model of the CF Kayser?

http://www.modelboats.co.uk/gallery/image.asp?uabn=42&UIN=916&Position==1&sp=332330698684344148400&v=3
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: bashfordg March 30, 2008, 16:52:47
Thanks guys. Those pics of the "JR More" are great.

She is one big tug... perhaps the largest steam tug" left in the world.

Unusual, like the "Alwyn" and her sister ships she was quite late built, 1961 I think for the "More"... and of course UK builders (as were most of them)

She was also built as an oil burner.

Unsure why the Govt awarded contracts to Italians in the late 50's and then switched back to the UK in the 60's the Italians were quite capable of building the larger ones too...

Funny you should mention Robin Stobbs... I have been "speaking with him" via email, he knows these pilot tugs well.

Damm things were like "mini subs" an awful lot under the water... not sure why the "Cecil G White" was sitting so low in that pic however... overloaded or full of water....

Then again, they carried 42 tons of coal... and with full bunkers...

Attached is pic of the Alwyn in the tourist trade.. (looked better than)..

Cheers

Gordon
: Re: South African Steam Tugs UPDATE
: bashfordg April 04, 2008, 03:08:06
Sorry guys for being a little late however have been a little busy...

There is a little "wiki" site now, continually updated. www.alwynvincent.wetpaint.com

Work is now underway in SA and all looks good, the old girl is in remarkable condition although a little neglected due to such a lengthy time she lay "idle"... the seagulls and garbage have all been evicted and all internal areas are being inspected for works.

I have posted a couple more images of the boiler / main engine and wheelhouse... hope it gives a small idea, she really is a beautiful little ship.

Will update early next week with more pics.

I believe that there is actually a "production" model kit of the Alwyn somewhere, have run into it on the net but just cannot put my finger on it at the moment.

Cheers

Gordon
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: bashfordg May 02, 2008, 04:21:34
Sorry for the late update.. have been very busy with the old girl and things are progressing well. I envy sometimes those who build the little "model" steamers even in live steam... the big stuff is "painful" at times.

A little too much to list, so have updated the website:

Plenty of new info and pics there (look in the albums...) this is updated every few days or so.

www.alwynvincent.wetpaint.com

Even the spare prop was located.. good did not want to have to cast another one! (Pic attached sorry about the bad quality... was sent to me by those who had it on display)

Cheers

Gordon.
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: tugs53 May 02, 2008, 06:59:19
Hi bashfordg:
Great photos, and thanks so much for the update!! :)
I, for one, am following it with keen interest, as I LOVE the old stuff!
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: pcfix October 19, 2010, 04:38:44
Hi Guys,

Just joined your forum. Very interesting to find SA Steam tug articles as I am attempting to scratch building the 'JR More' using published  modified plans of her sister ship the 'FC Sturrock'.
Always good to have photographs of the More, though difficult to get as they do not allow photography on the JR More in the Maritime museum in Durban, difficult to understand why, as more people are likely to visit Durban if they could take photographs.
Very interested to know if anyone else is building the More or and other SA Tug.
Ralph
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: Model Tug Man October 19, 2010, 04:43:07
Welcome to the Forum, Ralph. Have you considered starting a build log of your project. There are many Forum members, me included, that would like to see your tug.
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: pcfix October 19, 2010, 09:17:57
Thank you Tug Man,
My interest in the JR More tug goes back to 1968 when I arrived in Durban aboard the Edinburgh Castle and the JR More tug came alongside to see the Edinburgh into port, wonderful memories of a great steam tug, which hopefully will be maintained in the Durban MM.  I am SA born but now live in the UK and hope to visit Durban and go aboard the JR More in the next year or two.
I will do as you suggest and build a log of my project and will be very interested in anyone one else building the JR More and who may have more photographs to copy detail from.  Trouble is all the photographs I have found, concentrate on the Bow or looking forward, no photographs on the stern, which is hidden by the docks and the SS Durban on the other side.
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: Model Tug Man October 20, 2010, 07:02:20
You can get a good overhead view of her on Google Earth. It will give you a rough idea of the after deck layout.

I found some pics on an Internet search but I am sure that you have these already.
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: pcfix December 02, 2010, 15:56:45
I have put together some photographs of J.R. More which Doug and Keith have taken and kindly sent to me.  These have been very helpful to me with my model of JR

The photographs can be found at (copy and paste):-

http://picasaweb.google.com/SAtug.JRmore/JRMORESteamTugForModelBoatBuildersAndOtherInterestedInSteamTugs#

Ralph







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: model tugman December 04, 2010, 08:35:02
Lovely  Lovely looking tugs those I have the plans and will get around to building one one day. :) :) cool
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: umhlali March 07, 2012, 06:21:15
Hi All,
Went to Durban today ,and went to see J R More.....she is in a hell of a state,just quietly rusting away,all the decking is coming up,the oak fenders behind the tyres have rotted away,and the rubbing band on the port bow has almost gone..holes in the deck from the engine room, rust all over,and the deck fittings in very bad condition.
Ethekwini Municipality (Durban City Council) apparently won't give any money for her upkeep,so what could be a fantastic tourist draw,is now becoming a bit danmgerous to board,as there are sections of deck that are rather "spongy". Port of Natal Maritime Museum just don't have the cash or the facilities to look after her,and in the 4 years since I was last aboard the Durban weather has taken it's toll on her.
The old girl needs either a massive injection of cash (a couple of million Rand I reckon) or save her any more shame and take her to her final resting place across the harbour to the breakers.
The SAS Durban alongside,is also suffering the same fate and being built of wood,(a "Ton" class minesweeper) is gradually coming apart,and is closed to the public permanently.
So a sorry state of affairs here in Durban, for J R More, lucky we have the photos of her in her prime to look back on. 
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: model tugman March 07, 2012, 07:27:40
What a bummer Ian its a crying shame. :'( :'(
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: umhlali March 07, 2012, 07:49:32
Yes George ,what a shame..the problem seems to be that there is no interest or money to upkeep her,the guy in charge of the museum was in the SA Navy,and he feels the same ,but without any support, he can't do much......he didn't know of any plans for repairs and refitting,so looks like her days are numbered....admittedly it's only R5 to look over her,(and "Ulundi"), but it's like looking over aship waiting for the breakers,and although she's connected to shore supply,they don't seem to have enough spare lamps to light her up down below,as a good half of them don't work.
Would have loved to take some more photos but photography is not allowed anymore,so couldnt.
Anyway try and keep you posted as time goes on...
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: Todd March 07, 2012, 09:41:21
You can get a good overhead view of her on Google Earth. It will give you a rough idea of the after deck layout.

I found some pics on an Internet search but I am sure that you have these already.

1st Photo.
Looking at the 'gear' on the quay it looks like some of her (J R More) towing gear laid out for some reason, maybe the rope locker is being painted  ::)

Jim
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: Kimosabie March 07, 2012, 10:09:48
'quote'....Thank you Tug Man,
My interest in the JR More tug goes back to 1968 when I arrived in Durban aboard the Edinburgh Castle and the JR More tug came alongside to see the Edinburgh into port, wonderful memories of a great steam tug, which hopefully will be maintained in the Durban MM.

Hello pcfix,

I also sailed on the Edinburgh Castle, into Cape Town though, I was only 9 (1968) so don't recollect any tugs, but remember the EC very well, I also sailed on The Vaal into Cape Town, wish I had been more interested in 'tugs' at the time! I would love to re-create a S African tug, but by the sounds of it, there isn't much cash available to restore the tugs of that era...what a shame.
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: The Loftsman March 11, 2012, 06:07:03

Hi Godon/all,
You may be interested in some info on the ULUNDI to be found at my website www.leithshipyards.com
where we shall soon be bringing the scanned data from the ship to life and anyone will be able to take a 360 degree tour of her and also be able to measure from any point on the ship to another.

Cheers

The Loftsman

www.leithshipyards.com


Hi Guys

Just curious whether anyone is interested in South African steam tugs. (I am actually Australian) Have lots of info on them.

Cheers

Gordon
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: pcfix February 25, 2013, 12:57:22
Hi All

Regarding  J. R. More and her poor state of repair.

I have been advised that JR has now been moved to a repair dock. It is looking hopeful that local interest and good people have found funds  to undertake repairs or even some restoration. Will advise when further details are known.

If any Model Buildings or whoever want Photographs of J. R. More taken a couple of year ago -  I have about 60 or so which I can make available to anyone who wants them.
Please contact me at  ralph@wilmot.plus.com if you want to have copied.

Regards Ralph
 angel

: south african steam tugs.
: acw1947 April 04, 2013, 03:57:05
I worked on the a.m. Campbell in 1966,in Durban as a deck hand. I  left to join the british m.n. I went back to south Africa in1969 and worked on the tugs in cape town, as a fireman,and again worked on the A.M. Campbell as she had been transferred there. she was oil fired,the picture of the stokehold is similar to hers. I also worked on the T.S. Mc ewan and she was coal fired. this was the time of apartheid so the tugs had either all black crews or all white, the T.S. Mc ewan  was the only white crewed coal fired tug.while in c.t. we went up to walvis bay to tow back the r.b.waterston which had had a major engine breakdown. we also towed a large barge to Durban,but the tow broke in bad weather and we spent a week in plettenberg bay while a search was made for the barge.it was found by another tug and taken to Durban. these were not good deep sea boats, when we were in the aghulus current the sea,s broke over the bow,hit the superstructure and went down the ventilators and flooded the accommodation in the focsle. there were two greasers on her who had been in destroyers during the war, they said she was worse than them in a sea.  the cook on the Campbell only had one ear, so if he wanted to read he used to put a match stick in his ear to hold his glasses up. good times
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: pcfix October 03, 2014, 02:04:57
I have completed my model of JR More and she sails nicely.
Now building the 1929 Durban Tug   'Sir William Hoy' known as Smokey Bill.
Photo of JR More and  Sir William Hoy progress at 31st September 2014
: Re: south african steam tugs.
: pcfix October 03, 2014, 02:15:30
I have completed my model of JR More and she sails nicely.
Now building the 1929 Durban Tug   'Sir William Hoy' known as Smokey Bill.
Photo of JR More and  Sir William Hoy progress at 31st September 2014
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: Aucklander April 23, 2016, 21:22:09
Has anything been heard of the Alwyn Vintcent of late? The website seems to have dried up. Problem is that even a steel boat out of the water needs maintenance.
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: stephen June 13, 2016, 04:38:15
Thought you might like to see this tug, seen around Cape Town South Africa, last used to take tourists on a jolly round the bay...
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: shiploversa August 20, 2018, 05:09:03
hello i only just got on this site - so hope the message gets through - i am an avid collector of sar tug boat plans and pictures - so keen to share
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: shiploversa August 20, 2018, 05:10:41
very interested in steam tugs of south africa - have loads of plans and pictures to share
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: shiploversa August 20, 2018, 05:12:29
Hi Gordon  Have a look in (Any other tugs) and you will find a couple pf pictures of an SA tug lookalike,  its really a modified Imara.
I have the drawings 5 sheetsof the JR More and her sister  one day I will get around to building one.

 i have 2 copies of this classic book and loads of plans and pictures
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: shiploversa August 20, 2018, 05:16:28
Many thanks guys,

I had a sneaky little reason for asking... and am very familiar with the JR More.

Durban has two of the three remaining steam tugs left in SA. (Ulundi being the other one there)

However there is one left presently at Cape Town but not for much longer.

The "Alwyn Vintcent" is the last surviving steam pilot tug of her class, and, unlike the others was in fact Italian built in 1958.

To cut a long story short, she got herself into a bit of bother however, now she has just become privately owned and saved from the cutters torch, will shortly be coming "down under" and returning to commercial work as both tug and passenger vessel as a steamer.

I have attached a small pic of her as she was in about 2001... but a little neglected at the moment.

Some other shots taken a couple of days ago... dont like them however the "look" will be shortlived.... work is now underway.

Still have drawings of her (once converted to electronic) and her sister ships. And numerous other material.

More pics will be available next week of other internal areas, and a new website posted.

Cheers

Gordon.

Will update more in a day or two.

Cheers

Gordon
the last i knew of her was she was in villiersdorp - and thats it
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: shiploversa August 20, 2018, 05:27:13
Hi George

I had never considered that, she was one of five vessels built by Cantieri Navali e Officiene Meccaniche de Venezia for the SAR&H which had most "unusual" funnel colours...

The others were: "William Weller", " Cecil G White", SJ Harrison", and "JE Eaglesham" all virtually identical and designed along the lines of much earler period British built tugs.

Dimensions 83ft x 20ft x 11ft.  110 GRT

All machinery also made by the builder. (300 IHP Triple Expansion , Coal Fired Scotch Type Boiler, 200psi working pressure service speed 10.5 Kts....)

Have also attached a pic of the Cecil G White circa 1980. Slightly different colour scheme..

I also must admit that I had little knoweledge of Italian built steamers, however since this one am quite impressed.

Unusual as was built to both act as a tug as well as carry passengers... kind of like a cross between a launch and tugboat, hence the uncluttered aft deck, teak decks etc.

Agree with what you say re the Crank Pit... oh well someone has to do it, just thank goodness it isn't me.  ;D

 the wheel house of the cecil g white in the east london museum
Cheers

Gordon.
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: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: shiploversa September 10, 2018, 06:30:21
hello - i am an avid lover of sar&h tug boats - have a fair collection of pictures and plans in (pdf format) if any one is keen to share what they have i can reciprocate  - many thanks
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: sea monkey September 10, 2018, 22:17:10
Post as many pictures as you like, we are always interested. Might even get a response from some of our SA members.
: Re: South African Steam Tugs
: shiploversa May 06, 2019, 03:49:36
Hi Guys,

Just joined your forum. Very interesting to find SA Steam tug articles as I am attempting to scratch building the 'JR More' using published  modified plans of her sister ship the 'FC Sturrock'.
Always good to have photographs of the More, though difficult to get as they do not allow photography on the JR More in the Maritime museum in Durban, difficult to understand why, as more people are likely to visit Durban if they could take photographs.
Very interested to know if anyone else is building the More or and other SA Tug.
Ralph

 i have a few pdf tug drawings on file - if you send me a private message with email - thanks