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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Off Shore Support Vessels => : Toby November 02, 2017, 02:36:40

: HMS BULLDOG
: Toby November 02, 2017, 02:36:40
I wonder if any member has built a model of this vessel. Whilst I am waiting for other information and timber for the Drifter I have begun work on my HMS Bulldog, a hydrographic survey ship.

It is a hull and plan job,  the plan being by David Metcalfe. I have located a few picture/photos but as usual none found as yet showing deck and details.

Would like to hear from members who have built this and how they made and/or where from they acquired certain for this ship model.

Interesting that the plan shows one side only and comments not that the number and position of portholes differs each side.  I noticed that from a couple of photos online.

Perseverance is still on the bench. ....not forgotten.


Toby

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: Toby November 02, 2017, 02:43:35
She has had a basic coat of paint. The interior has had a couple of coats of black paint so that if I want to install lights such will not shine through the white plastic hull.
The hull had been strengthened with  lollipop sticks (wooden) resin and fibreglass cloth in the keel and so far. On to that had been placed 13lbs of lead shot.

Toby
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: Toby November 02, 2017, 03:41:23
Anchor housings in and fibreglassed as are the rudder blocks and shafts and prop tubes and shafts. Uj couplings arrived this morning and do motors and couplings attached. Now to align motors and fasten in situ.
Each 6v-15v motor (Dean's Marine Falcon type) is rated at 6v 6000rpm and 2.2A. The props are about 1" with high pitch. Will be interesting to know whether I will be best operating at 6v or 12v. The props seem quite small for such a large boat.  They look a similar size as those used for Vliestroom buoy vessel.
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: deep diver November 02, 2017, 23:55:56
I have the small Deans one, not in a good condition, I did find some photo's of her that may be of some help.

Fred
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: Toby November 03, 2017, 02:19:21
Fred,

Thank you very much for taking the time to find and to upload those pictures. They will be very helpful.

Toby


Only after acquiring this hull and plan did I learn of the DM model. But then I saw that it was not a very big model.  Does it sail well?  Are you restoring your model?
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: deep diver November 03, 2017, 10:35:53
Hi Tobby

Glad that the photo's are of some help.
I am hoping to restore her some time next year, I paid 50.00 for her I just wish that I had not paid up front, it looks as if the first builder took an axe to cut out all the parts then used cascamight glue to fix and fill in any gaps.(see photo's)as for sailing I do think that she would be a bit tender on the water.

One of our members sold his Balldog for just under the 1000.00 last year

Do keep us all up-dated with your build

All the Best

Fred
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: Toby November 03, 2017, 11:21:55
And that is a DM kit? I know that they have their faults but yes I see that a little tlc is required. There seems to be marks on the funnel which i thought would be a pre-formed moulded piece.

Your friend in East Sussex must have made a fine model to gain that price.

Toby.
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: Toby November 04, 2017, 14:27:10
Rudders made.
I drilled four holes about the brass plane and then epoxied wood one side and then filled the holes with epoxy and then epoxied wood to the other side. Then I super glued another piece of wood with the timber  grain at 90 degrees to first layer and then sanded the wood to shape.
Then epoxy coat applied and left over night.  Then a light sand and a light dose of white primer and then when dry ribbed with 600 wet w/d  paper. Soon see the imperfections where the prime remains.

Now to brush or spray some primer and some red before applying final red colour.
Toby
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: Toby November 04, 2017, 14:29:59
Not sure why the plan shows a section which cannot be actually seen or measured.
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: Toby November 04, 2017, 14:32:12
After sanding epoxy and primer coats. Should be about right and not to thick.  Thickness of rudder can compromise thrust of prop?
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: deep diver November 05, 2017, 05:19:44
Hi Toby

That is looking good,

Keep up the good work

Fred
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: Toby November 05, 2017, 08:36:59
First coat of Humbrol 100 matt. A colour,  not necessarily the final red.
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: 2tugboats November 06, 2017, 20:47:46
Beautiful Fred. . .as Toby said, ". . .your pictures will be very helpful."

Michael
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: deep diver November 06, 2017, 23:47:52
A few more
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: Toby November 07, 2017, 03:47:15
Thank you for the further photos! Very nice details!  With this ship I note that it is not to be the same both sides. I note for example the portholes are in different places comparing one side to the other. Perhaps it is the same above deck too.

Toby



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: deep diver November 07, 2017, 10:40:00
Hi Toby

Sorry only have the Starboard side on the water, hope it help's.

Fred

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: Toby November 07, 2017, 11:46:14
Thanks for those photos. The Dean's Marine one I believe you said it was.  It looks large in the photos!  I hope that I shall be able to recreate all that detail. It is what makes it.
I note that there is added thickness running around the bulwarks unset the capping. Is that flat or semi- round. Width appears to change. That is nor in the moulding of my hull. So work to do the as well.

Must have a look to see what is included in the DM and then if there are any images of individual items shown to draw them up-scaled to make patterns.

Toby
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: deep diver November 07, 2017, 15:23:47
Hi Toby

The one in the photos is not of a Deans boat, it is of one that I found on the internet, if I can help with items off the Deans kit just ask and I will do my best to help.

Fred
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: Toby November 07, 2017, 15:42:05
In the DM Kit do you get a drawing or booklet showing deck furniture details and sizes etc?

Toby
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: deep diver November 08, 2017, 01:44:05
Hi Toby

I will have a look and let you know.

Fred
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: deep diver November 21, 2017, 09:41:14
Hi Toby

Have a look at this vid https://youtu.be/etFNQsEJ_ik about two min's in.

Hope it works.

Still looking for info with regards to drawing's

All the best

Fred
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: Toby November 21, 2017, 10:12:19
Well spotted Fred!

The slow motion is quite effective and for the warships shows the riding up and down the wave. At normal speed it all happens so fast.

I have had problems with the Humbrol paint and this has meant little progress. I think that new chemicals are being used and the application certainly suffers. The matt vanish reacted to the gloss paint.  Sorted and I brushed on a Matt red  which has dried with mixed sheen across the keel.

Perhaps Humbrol is no good anymore?
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: deep diver November 30, 2017, 08:17:24
Hi Toby

When I was at the Warwick Show I has a talk to Ron Dean about HMS Bulldog, and he said that he has all the parts that I would need to refit my model, I also got my hands on a plan that come's with the kit, I hope that the attachments come out will post the rest after these three.

fred
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: deep diver November 30, 2017, 08:18:52
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: deep diver November 30, 2017, 08:19:42
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: Toby November 30, 2017, 10:45:35
Fred

Thank you for posting those line drawings for your model. I am pleased to hear that you can buy the fittings that you need from RD. That will l save some time compared to what it looks as though I shall have too make.

I too have been busy and have acquired a couple of sheets which I will try to photograph and post up for you.

One matter I have only just realised is from where I could buy some 1:48 scale Royal Navy patterned stanchions. I only realised the other day that my warships require the same when I noticed the 'unusual' pattern compared to usual spacing of the rails.  I have found some  1:96 for an HMS Intrepid model but I require some in 1:48 for Bulldog and Leeds Castle.  The two pages I have acquired for Bulldog show too the RN stanchions pattern.

Was the Warwick show good?  I just did not have sufficient notice to plan the journey to it.

Regards

Toby
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: deep diver December 01, 2017, 01:33:33
Hi Toby

Warwick for me it was not a good show so few traders now, this could all be down to the cost a floor space.

I am glad that you got some paper work for your boat.

One thing that I forgot to say was that some of Dave's moldings have been taken over by Mountfleet and Bulldog was one of them, so it might be an idea to give them a call.

In the past I have found Ron Dean to be a good suppler of parts he just my be able to help you with parts, one time he re scaled a gun for me at a very small cost. 

Now that it is getting colder I can only do a small amount of time working on the boat's as I am in a unheated garage.

All the best

Fred
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: Toby December 01, 2017, 04:03:06
Fred

Sorry to read that the show was not enough interest for you.

Dave's mouldings taken over by Mountfleet.... which Dave; I am not sure who.

This is the time of year to have a work board that you place on the kitchen work surface or on the dining room table .... rooms where there likely is heat! :)

Toby
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: deep diver December 01, 2017, 06:57:32
Hi Toby

The Dave I am on about is Dave Metcalf,

As for working in door's I am in a two bedroom bungalow, and have only just finished the kitchen work top still have to do the paint work to do. also we have a kitchen dinner so no working until it is finished.

As for the show I still say that the cost of floor space is too high, if they were to lower the costing's so that a trader can cover the cost of the floor space plus a small profit at the end of the day then they would get more trader's to the event then more people through the door, after all most of our local model shop's are closing evey day, sorry for my rant.

All the best

Fred
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: Toby December 11, 2017, 18:36:22
Can anyone confirm the size, number of blades and appearance of the propellers for this ship either full- size or 1:48  scale measurements.

Toby