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: Amsterdam Tug
: Toby December 30, 2017, 14:00:38
Hello everyone,

Trust you have had a Happy Christmas and that you will have much fun boating in 2018.

Can anyone advise whether or not drawings for the tug, Amsterdam, are available. Considering that there appears to have been many models built, I find it strange that, to date, I have not been able to find plans for the model.

I have just found a few photos of the full- size ship and of the sister ships but not plans; not even a photo of any. The internet seems quite lacking albeit there are images of a variety of models.


Toby

: Re: Amsterdam Tug
: olscuzbut December 31, 2017, 08:01:59
Morning Toby and happy new year.  Are you looking for " real life" plans, or the plans that Artesiana provided with there Kit?  I think I still have the kit plans somewhere.  Let me know if that is what you are seeking.
   
       Norm
: Re: Amsterdam Tug
: Toby December 31, 2017, 08:39:18
Hello Norm,

Thank you for your message.

I would be glad of anything!

How accurate is the kit plan? Are you implying that the kit plan is a little different to the real plan/boat.

I thought of building a wooden hull but at times the superstructure is the difficult part to assess and make accurately from photos only.

Toby
: Re: Amsterdam Tug
: olscuzbut January 01, 2018, 07:45:40
Mornin' Toby.  Tried posting a couple of pics I took of the drawings of Amsterdam last night to see if it is what you are looking for, but the web site would not accept my pictures.  Will keep trying.

       Norm
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: Toby January 01, 2018, 08:35:55
Norm

Thank you for your efforts.
Sometimes picture uploading suffers on here. I Havre frequently found that I have to retake the picture as though the photo is faulty. Also the file cannot be too large and modern technology likes to create huge  files for images.

Toby
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: olscuzbut January 01, 2018, 10:19:53
Hi Toby,  not having much luck here, but since you included your email addr. I will try emailing it to you.  The pic is 2.4mb so I don't know why that wont send on here.  Just got a new laptop with the updated windows so I'm not totally familiar with the new format. 

          Norm
: Re: Amsterdam Tug
: Toby January 08, 2018, 13:46:55
Norm

Thank you so much for the images re the kit version of Amsterdam.  They are very useful.
Toby
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: Toby January 08, 2018, 13:55:42
I have found a few photos of the full- size Amsterdam but as they are not close- up I was wondering if any member had any sharp/ detailed photos of the full-size ship perhaps from their model build so I can compare. I am not quite at superstructure level yet but may as well  research in advance.

Toby
: Re: Amsterdam Tug
: sea monkey January 09, 2018, 21:42:49
A few images of the Amsterdam pop up in a Google search.
She had a couple of sister ships in the French Navy: Malabar, Tenace and Centaure.
Google has a good selection of them too.
Surprisingly, shipspotting.com is a bit light on them and Amsterdam.
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: Toby January 10, 2018, 05:23:50
The ones I have found excepting one of them are not very close or sharp for detail of Windows, doors  etc

 I suppose unless the works in Netherlands have archive photos just a case of wait to see what is uploaded in the future.


Thanks

Toby
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: Toby January 10, 2018, 05:28:30
I am having difficulty getting the Isopon resin to dry totally On the outer hull. Not sure what is the problem. Inside is ok. I have only just realised they this resin is polyester and not epoxy.

Anyhow when this dries can anyone say how best to achieve the anchor well in the hull.  It seems that most models have a plate on the outside and any anchor on full show but the photos of the full-size I have seen there seems to be a housing for the anchor.
I would like the anchors working or at least set up to work if wanted and housed correctly.

What Have other members done in this area?

Toby
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: sea monkey January 10, 2018, 12:26:44
Polyester is very temperature dependent for curing. Air temp needs to be at least 16C/60F. If it hasn't cured to a completely dry stage within a couple of hours chances are it won't. That can mean having to scrape it of and starting again. I use it a lot but never on a very cold day.
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: Toby January 10, 2018, 13:04:50
 Thanks.

I have never had issue before so have been somewhat surprised. It is expensive stuff not to work properly. 
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: Toby January 10, 2018, 13:11:11
Another matter/ observation has arisen re this tug, Amsterdam. Viewing a number of photographs I note on a number of models that the decking appears to be two-tone planking by alternate rows. Is this how the original vessel was decked?  It would seem extravagant for tug decking. Not sure that any top ocean liners were ever so dressed.

Toby
: Re: Amsterdam Tug
: Toby January 14, 2018, 18:27:24
Basic hull done.
Thought it was ok.
Put some epoxy resin inside and coated the wood.
When dry turned down the lights in the room and shone a light directly into the hull to see if any light shone through.
It did but those places had been filled with the epoxy. However I thought I should put a little epoxy on the outside over the filled gaps. Now to wait for it all to dry.
What, if anything, do other members put on their wooden hulls before priming and painting them.

Toby
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: Toby January 14, 2018, 18:36:13
Epoxy outside
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: Toby January 16, 2018, 20:55:15



I have been working on Amsterdam. I noticed in a photo that the forecastle bulwark at the bow is round and not at a sharp angle as per plan and others' models.  So I have been modifying (Tannerising). I have also cut a squarish hole in the hull ready for the anchor well which I have yet to make and fit.  


Looking at more photos, I found that the stern shape was wrong  and so I sanded it to shape; rolled the side to the top. I will try to finish that tomorrow. Looks more realistic I believe too.


This then lead me to look for other photos online. There are only one or two basic images of the real ship; some better ones would be a real blessing. However, whilst they highlight a few changes during the ship's life, they nonetheless all show that there were no wash ports, let alone three slots cut into each side of the bulwarks. More research needed.... anther build held up.

 In the photos of the military sister ships, there are differing types and sizes of wash ports, but, not in one of the photos of the  Amsterdam are wash ports visible. 


Regards,


Toby

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: model tugman January 17, 2018, 07:03:09
Have you ever finished a tug yet Toby?  You seem to have many on the go but no finished articles yet.
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: Toby January 17, 2018, 07:16:43
Hello George

Good to hear from you George.

I am trying to get them finished, honest😁.
A friend in the US keeps asking me the same question.

We still have the hydraulic lunch to imbibe.


Toby

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: Toby January 17, 2018, 07:39:31
13 on the go. Just that when info is lacking or parts hard to find or make it holds up the job and so I fill the time by getting something else underway.

You have said to me that research can take as long as a build.

Happy New Year to you.

Will be in London in February.

Toby
: Re: Amsterdam Tug
: sea monkey January 17, 2018, 12:39:25
It would be very unusual to have no freeing/wash ports/scuppers on an ocean going tug with a deck that close to the waterline.
I had a look at some of the images online and they are all fairly poor quality or very low res so it's hard to see if it did have ports with covers. I imagine that they do but are too hard to distinguish because of the poor quality.
The kit makers would have had a better look at the real thing at the time so their inclusion of any ports is probably right. The kit itself it quite basic so having no covers isn't surprising.
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: Toby January 17, 2018, 13:15:41
Yes,
As most vessels have some form of water release from the deck it seems odd I agree that this vessel wouldn't have had.

T
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: Toby January 17, 2018, 13:18:22
I have just come across this photo of Hamburg, attached below, which is the Amsterdam prior to its purchase and renaming by Wijsmuller. I do believe there are slits in the bulwarks for decking/ superstructure/ objects can be seen.

What do you think?

T