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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Modern Tugs => : chum444 March 02, 2019, 18:40:44

: Svitzer FERRIBY
: chum444 March 02, 2019, 18:40:44
Hello all. Although I am an active member of RC Forums in the US I am rather new here. Browsing the modern tug section I see there have been quite a few builds of Svitzer tugs. Nicely done for certain. I currently have FERRIBY under construction. Does anyone have photos of this Southampton based tug? Close ups of mast details, railings, spot light, radar, etc would be most appreciated. I’ve been working from online photos, GA plan of a Damen 2411 tug, & information kindly provided by FERRIBY’s former mate.
 I am far enough along where I am seeing scale discrepancies I’ve built in by using proportional measurements & parallax errors introduced photo analysis.
 Would appreciate any assistance & perhaps the name of a helpful contact at Svitzer.
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: sea monkey March 02, 2019, 23:52:27
Welcome Bill,
I'm sure the boys would like to see some photos of your progress so far.
Steve
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: chum444 March 03, 2019, 15:52:37
My attachments don’t pass security check???? Message received when I attempted to post photos from iPad.
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: sea monkey March 03, 2019, 19:41:54
Yes, that is an infrequent but recurring issue with the site. I always use jpg files and a couple of times a year they get the 'fail' message. If this happens I try uploading them one at a time and can usually find the offending file by process of elimination. No rhyme or reason to it. That security thing is a pain in the proverbial. Try again tomorrow I'm sure the boys would enjoy your project.
Steve
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: chum444 March 03, 2019, 19:57:18
Yes, I tried one at a time....did not work.
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: des March 04, 2019, 00:22:08
I use Microsoft Paint to reduce the size of the photo.  This reduces file size, with no noticeable loss of resolution at normal zoom levels.

Des.
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: tugboyben March 04, 2019, 02:55:27
Hi chum444

If you are still unable to post your pictures iv'e sent you a P.m
With my email address to forward me your photos ill see if i can help & post your pictures

Jason
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: chum444 March 04, 2019, 03:47:09
I will try again to post some pics.
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: chum444 March 04, 2019, 03:51:11
That worked so here is another
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: chum444 March 04, 2019, 03:53:26
I’m on a roll.....one more.
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: Capt.Towline March 04, 2019, 07:28:54
Welcome Chum,

Nice to see your pictures on the site...keep them coming!

CT
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: tugboyben March 04, 2019, 09:23:45
Hi Chum
Glad you have been able to post picture of your work
By the way looks super
Can you post pictures of the running gear you have fitted

Jason
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: chum444 March 04, 2019, 14:17:06
Twin Graupner # 1761 Schottels with counter-rotating props. Stainless components are ballast.
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: des March 04, 2019, 14:26:07
Hi Chum444

Is that a commercial hull you've used, or did you build it yourself?  What scale?

Des.
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: chum444 March 04, 2019, 18:06:29
The hullis Gary Hart’s Tiger Sun. I modified as best I could to replicate a Damen 2411 hull. Hull form is a bit off but I’m confident I can make it work.
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: tugnut March 04, 2019, 22:48:35
Looking good keep pictures coming chum444.
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: ray28507 March 05, 2019, 00:00:10
very nice  work  look forward to  your build 
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: chum444 March 05, 2019, 03:41:28
Neglected to mention that it is 1/12 scale.
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: des March 05, 2019, 16:42:22
Wow - 1/12 scale.  1 inch to the foot.  Say 100 ft full size, so model must be around 100 inches or so.  I think 1/12 scale must be a typo.  May be 1/32, for model length around 30-35 inches?

Des.
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: chum444 March 05, 2019, 17:24:10
Wow - 1/12 scale.  1 inch to the foot.  Say 100 ft full size, so model must be around 100 inches or so.  I think 1/12 scale must be a typo.  May be 1/32, for model length around 30-35 inches?

Des.

OOOPS! Not a typo....a “braino”. It for sure is 1/32. :(
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: Kev30 March 07, 2019, 15:20:57
Hi Chum444
I've got some photo's on my camera somewhere but in the meantime if you go on the subject: Svitzer Humber there are two photo's on there that I took of the Ferriby sister of the Svitzer Valiant up at Immingham three years ago. Also the Svitzer Valiant was originally a Humber based tug and then later transferred to Southampton.

I'll look those other photo's out for you

Regards

Kevin
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: chum444 March 08, 2019, 07:44:05
Rx Kevin.
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: Kev30 March 08, 2019, 12:07:40
 Sorry I messed up in that last message, what I meant was the Svitzer Ferriby was originally based at Immingham before being transferred to the Solent. Svitzer Valiant is still very much part of the Svitzer Humber fleet.
I'll look those photos out this weekend
Regards
Kevin
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: Kev30 March 08, 2019, 12:36:51
Here are the photo's taken all over the UK.
The Svitzer Valiant was seen up in Immingham in May 2016
The Svitzer Warden and  Svitzer Harty in Sheerness on a hot day in May 2014

The Warden and the Harty are the same Damen class as the Ferriby both these tugs have now both left Sheerness as the Svitzer Warden is stationed now in Liverpool and the Svitzer Harty is based at Southampton.
Regards
Kevin
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: Kev30 March 08, 2019, 12:44:06
Here some photo's of the Svitzer Ferriby taken in Southampton. The two taken on the quayside where taken shortly after she was transferred in 2012 from Immingham and the other photo was taken on the day that the new tug Svitzer Adira arrived in Southampton back in 2017 it just so happened I was in the area at the time and managed to get a photo, the Ferriby is the tug at the rear of the moored up tugs.

I hope these are of interest
Regards
Kevin
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: chum444 March 08, 2019, 14:09:15
Thank you Kevin. The second photo is particularly helpful.

Bill
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: Kev30 March 08, 2019, 14:36:48
No problem at tall Bill. I knew I posted some photos on this site and I've come across them. Look up Svitzer Sheerness Fleet and there are two good pictures of both the Harty and Warden including one where the Warden I think goes off to do a job at London Gateway so theres a nice side on photo.
Regards
Kevin
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: chum444 March 08, 2019, 16:36:06
Kevin,
 I have not been through all your photos but the ones I have viewed are very helpful. You have some close ups that allow me to decipher some details.

Bill
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: Kev30 March 09, 2019, 02:49:55
Here's the photo's from my camera Bill showing the Svitzer Ferriby in Southampton back in 2012

Regards
Kevin
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: Kev30 March 09, 2019, 02:52:46
The rest of the photo's here Biull are of the Svitzer Harty or Svitzer Warden taken down at Sheerness in 2014.
I hope these are useful with your build
Regards
Kevin
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: Kev30 March 09, 2019, 02:54:47
More of Svitzer Warden and Svitzer Harty in Sheerness, Kent in 2014

Regards
Kevin
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: Kev30 March 09, 2019, 02:56:54
The last three of the Svitzer tugs in Kent in May 2014

Regards
Kevin
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: Kev30 March 09, 2019, 03:02:38
Sorry I forgot this last one of the Svitzer Ferriby returning after carrying out a job.

Regards
Kevin
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: chum444 March 09, 2019, 04:24:52
Kevin,
 I really appreciate your assistance. The photos are just what I needed. Now if I can just execute some of the details..

Bill
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: chum444 March 09, 2019, 13:55:21
Making some progress on wheelhouse roof details. Many thanks to Kev30 for the photos.
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: des March 10, 2019, 13:29:42
Hi Chum444

I see from your photos that you have installed the glazing in the wheelhouse windows - I am always interested in how people tackle this particular task.

It appears that you have achieved a combination of flush-looking glazing (requires making up individual windows), along with raised framing, and rounded corners.  All this, and the wheelhouse is painted inside and out, without any overspray or dirt marks on the "glass".

Can you please give us an overview on your construction methods to achieve this result - I certainly haven't worked out how to achieve the combination of flush glazing along with rounded corners and raised framing.  I can achieve any two of the three outcomes, but not all three.

Des.
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: chum444 March 10, 2019, 16:44:41
Des,
 I readily admit I struggled with construction of the wheelhouse. I have completed entire builds in the time I have invested in it. I spent a lot of time just thinking about how to construct it. I ended up building it in individual sections which proved to be quite difficult & time consuming.  I did simplify things when I got to the P&S house top side panels by constructing the panel in one piece and cutting the windows out with a scroll saw. Would follow that procedure for everything if I ever did something similar.The compound angles of the house increased the degree of difficulty.
 I will have to look for pictures if I have them that illustrate how I built it. For now, here are ways I proceeded. Outside was sprayed with a rattle can...inside with brush. Glazing done in individual pieces and glued in place using canopy cement which dries clear. Outside trim is 24 ga insulated wire which can be stretched and formed into round corners ( as cut, the corners were square). I was able to hide a lot of missteps with that technique.
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: Techno March 11, 2019, 07:09:17
On the subject of Kevins generous photos. I could not have built my Svitzer anything like close.
I have uploaded Kevin's Portgarth pictures to share if anyone wants the link

Almost completed
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgrath/-1/i-XtkWHcV/0/c4f75e52/X3/783A4BC2-AC0E-4107-8DED-DBC9BB1CE7E3-X3.jpg)

If you register as a member with marinetrafficdotcom you can search for Ferriby and view all 89 photos at full size if logged in
(https://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=2048446&size=full)

(https://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1971486&size=full)
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: chum444 March 11, 2019, 09:56:13
I found some photos of the wheelhouse construction. It was framed in individual sections which looking back was probably not an efficient way to do it. Before the glazing was installed everything had been painted. Card stock templates for the glazing were made before the 0.40” thick polyester plastic was cut & glued into place.
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: Volker March 12, 2019, 01:15:00
Have you seen Damen's data sheet about the ASD 2411? https://products.damen.com/-/media/Products/Images/Clusters-groups/Tugs/ASD-Tugs/ASD-Tug-2411/Documents/Product_Sheet_Damen_ASD_Tug_2411_YN513410_COLUMBIA.pdf

The pdf-file contains a general arangement drawing with a plan view of the wheelhouse. At the aft end of the wheelhouse is a stair to the deck below.

Additionally Damen provides a virtual tour of the ASD 24. One can navigate over the complete tug.
http://virtualtours.damen.com/damen-asd2411/asd2411.html
One can adjust the camera angle.
Regards, Volker
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: chum444 March 12, 2019, 02:44:47
I did see those Damen references. Unfortunately by the time I saw them it was too late to add the wheelhouse stairs or even create a hint of them.
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: Techno March 12, 2019, 11:44:20
I apologise for my post if it was intrusive
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: chum444 March 12, 2019, 12:08:18
I apologise for my post if it was intrusive

Not at all.I wish I had seen it earlier, but sometimes timing does not work out.
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: chum444 August 17, 2019, 04:23:50
BUGSIER 18 finished so back to FERRIBY. Pilot  house mostly complete...finished initial installation of weather deck.
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: tugnut August 17, 2019, 21:25:29
That is looking very nice.
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: tugboyben August 18, 2019, 02:20:28
Morning Chum
Nice tug you have built have you had it on the water

Jason
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: chum444 August 18, 2019, 02:47:49
Thank you folks. It has been in the water at the early stages of construction for ballast testing. That splash was an indicator that learning to control those Schottel drives will take awhile. Hope for more sail time soon.
 Lot more work to do.
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: chum444 October 08, 2019, 09:37:14
After finishing BUGSIER 18, back to work on FERRIBY.
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: chum444 October 08, 2019, 11:11:08
Any of you folks have photos of FERRIBY’s tow winch? Particularly looking for details of the gearbox,port, side.

Thanks in advance.
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: chum444 November 27, 2019, 09:18:14
I’ve been working on the tow winch. Some photos of the start of construction.
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: chum444 November 27, 2019, 09:21:50
Winch completed prior to installation.
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: sea monkey November 27, 2019, 10:26:56
Good work Bill.
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: des November 27, 2019, 13:21:36
Looks good - did you build it yourself from scratch, or is it a kit?

I'm guessing that this is the forward towing winch, as it has the anchor chain gypsy as well.

Des
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: chum444 November 27, 2019, 13:58:55
The hull is a modified TIGER KING hull. Not exactly the FERRIBY’s hull form but the closest I could find. Since there was a less than zero chance of obtaining the lines from Damen, a scratch built true to type hull was impossible. FERRIBY only has a forward winch.Everything else scratch built.
A few more photos of the winch in place after installing the bulwarks.

Thanks folks for the nice comments.
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: Kev30 December 01, 2019, 16:02:01
Hi Chum
Yeah your right zero chance of getting any hull lines from Damen for your Ferriby model and any Damen design come to that. Also any tug design by Robert Allen the Canadian boat / ship designer is the same you might be lucky with a general arrangement drawing but hull lines they won't release. Good interesting project your doing there Chum.
Regards

Kevin
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: chum444 December 01, 2019, 16:55:05
Kev,
 The photos you so kindly provided were a tremendous help. If you have ever done a model using proportional measurements from a GA drawing and or photos you know that eventually scaling errors will show up. Certainly the case here but I feel fortunate they seem to be rather minimal but obvious if you know where to look.
 Thanks again for your assistance.
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: Kev30 December 03, 2019, 14:04:35
No problem Chum that's what these forums are here for exchanging info etc. I actually enjoy taking photo's of the tugs I'm building as it makes it easier to build your model as you also take a tape measure to take relevant dimensions so you can scale these down. I was working in Newcastle UK for 4 months some years ago and managed to get a morning off work to go and take pictures etc of the Svitzer tug Fiery Cross based at Middlesbrough as I had arranged through their office to go on board the tug. I arrived at the Svitzer base at 09.00 and never got out the car for the first hour and a half as it was absolutely hammering down with rain. I've got back since but Boro was 30 miles south of Newcastle not 272 that it is from Bristol???
If I'm down near Southampton again Chum I'll look out for both Damen tugs working for Svitzer the Harty and the Ferriby and post some more pics on to you. If you go on the SMS towage website they have a new Damen tug based on the river Humber the Manxman I'm not 100% sure how it compares to the Svitzer tugs in layout etc.

Regards
Kevin
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: chum444 December 14, 2019, 05:11:08
Kevin,
 The SMS Manxman &Marksman are both Damen 2411 ASD tugs. Very similar in arrangement to FERRIBY. Looks like their tow winches are bit different probably because both SMS tugs are newer than FERRIBY.

Thanks for the reference.

Bill
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: chum444 December 14, 2019, 19:11:25
Getting closer to completion.
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: des December 14, 2019, 20:37:24
Looks good - but why did you lay the boat on its side / end to take the first & last shots?

I particularly like the window glazing - looks like flush glazing, with raised edges AND rounded corners.  I have only been able to achieve any two out of three on my windows so far - I'm hoping I can do better on my current project.

Des.
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: chum444 December 15, 2019, 04:26:06
All photos were taken with the hull in its cradle. The first & third shots were taken in portrait mode; the second in landscape. This forum , & others, apparently will not accept photos in portrait mode without rotating them. Or I don’t know how to get around that issue. ??? If there is a way perhaps someone will post the procedure.
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: des December 15, 2019, 14:40:13
I had my tongue firmly in my cheek when I made that comment - I'm sorry if I offended you.

All I do is to preview my photos using Windows Photo Viewer.  If the shot was taken in Portrait orientation, Viewer will display that shot rotated - ie, in Landscape.  So I use the Viewer's Rotate function to turn the shot the right way up - back into Portrait orientation.  Then, when you move onto the next photo the Viewer automatically saves the photo in its new, correct orientation.

Then, when you upload the photo to the Forum it appears right way up.

Reading back on this it sounds more confusing than it really is.

Des.
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: chum444 December 15, 2019, 17:16:42
No offense at all. Problem seems to be with iCloud, iPhone, etc. same thing in other forums. I will figure it out.
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: des December 15, 2019, 17:35:31
There's your problem - the i-thingy.
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: chum444 December 20, 2019, 05:31:09
Photos of FERRIBY as completed.
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: chum444 December 20, 2019, 05:33:43
More.
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: chum444 December 20, 2019, 05:37:11
Last ones.
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: JEno December 20, 2019, 14:57:47
Some wicked nice lookin Bill. Will she grace Roger's Pond next year?
Jonathan
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: sea monkey December 20, 2019, 16:15:25
Really nice Bill. Well done.
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: chum444 December 20, 2019, 18:07:21
Thank you guys. This one was my most challenging build. Hopefully it will run well. Haven’t had it in the water since ballast testing.
Jeno...Rogers Pond next year you bet.
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: Kev30 December 21, 2019, 02:01:59
Hi Chum
Your model looks really good hope it performs well on the water. Thanks for posting your build on this website as it's interesting how you accomplished the final result and methods you used.

Regards
Kevin
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: chum444 December 21, 2019, 12:51:49
All, once again I want to thank Kevin for his generous posting of FERRIBY photos. They were invaluable for the details I could include.

Merry Christmas to all.

Bill
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: des December 21, 2019, 16:11:40
Nice job - well done!  But can we have a couple of shots of the "business end" - props & nozzles, and inner shots of drives?  I haven't read back yet, but is it powered by Schottels?

Do you mind me asking - how long did it take to build?  And before that,  how long did it take in the planning stage?  And why, living in the US, did you choose to model a British tug (with an Australian connection)?

I really hope it goes well for you on the water.

What's the next one?

Des.
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: chum444 December 22, 2019, 05:07:22
Des,
 My reply will be rather lengthy so will do it in more than one post.

Why FERRIBY?
 In June, 2017, my wife & I took a cruise that originated from Southampton. Originally I recalled that FERRIBY had been an assist tug when we left the Dock. Looking back I am not certain that was true. However, MARINA was docked at the very end of the quay (is that the correct term?) and FERRIBY and two other Svitzer tugs (EASTON one of them)were clearly visible off our stb’d aft quarter.
I did see FERRIBY underway a couple of times and immediately appreciated the lines. All the above was my motivation for the build.

Length of planning phase?
The biggest challenge was to find a hull close to a Damen 2411. I spent about a month searching for a hull that would approximate a 2411 hull with dimensions close to FERRIBY. I had spent a couple weeks prior researching FERRIBY on websites including Marine Traffic, Ship Spotter, & Damen for dimensional data. Finally, Gary King’s TIGER SUN hull was the best one to modify & was the basis for the build.

So the short answer is that planning took 6-8 weeks. More to follow.

Bill
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: chum444 December 22, 2019, 06:16:14
Des,
 Continuing my lengthy reply.

Build time?
 Overall it took about two years to reach completion. The TIGER SUN hull required major modifications to approximate a Damen 2411 ASD tug. Early on through making direct contact with Svitzer in Southampton FERRIBY’s mate at the time agreed to assist. He was most generous with his time providing me with actual dimensions and photos. Otherwise I worked from the GA plans for a 2411 and photos from the web. Proportional measurements were made from both sources. Proportional measurements taken from on screen photos as well as those from printed web photos approximates reality but also introduce scale errors that eventually become apparent while building. The camera that took the photo is seldom perpendicular to the detail of interest which creates dimensional errors from lens distortion. The time involved in finding photos that captured the necessary details and making proportional calculations for each was a major time sink. Deciding how to construct components such as the Pilot house and open bulwarks  also took many hours. The photos that Kevin provided me captured details I could not find elsewhere. He & FERRIBY’s Mate were vital for me to get it as close to reality as I have done.

I will dig up some photos of the Schottel drive arrangement and include in a later post.

Long winded response but your questions caused me to reflect on how I completed a very fun-to-build project.
Bill