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Specialist Types Of Tug Boat => Springer Tugs => : Footski July 17, 2008, 10:44:05

: Footski's Springer Tanker
: Footski July 17, 2008, 10:44:05
Hi Guys,

Well I have the Springer bug and have started mine off. The basic hull is made and while waiting for some wood to be delivered, I have cracked on with the superstructure. It is supposed to be off Tessa PG, my sons tanker in the Caribbean. I am not sure if she looks a bit top heavy. Any advise would be welcome. If you are interested I will post as I go along, but don't want to bore you all...For now, see the pictures below.

Barry
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: tango July 17, 2008, 11:28:12
hi Barry, glad to see you have the springer bug. I wouldn't worry too much about the height of the superstructure, a springer can weigh between 7lbs - 9lbs so they are quite heavy (mine weight just under 8lbs) However I can see a major problem occuring..................You won't be able to build just one you will end up with a fleet of them, they are addictive ;) ;) ;) ;)

Mark.
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: TugMaster July 17, 2008, 13:23:24
Hey Footski, looking good, post as you build maybe some newbies to Springers will follow !

TugMaster
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: Footski July 19, 2008, 02:03:32
Thanks Tugmaster, but I am a newbie to these Springers...great fun though...

A little more done on the superstructure..
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: tugs53 July 19, 2008, 07:25:29
Looks great Barry :)

Do you think all that housework is maybe a tad big for that hull though? ;D ;D ;D

Oh.. I see, that's the funnel on top there, not the hull;)
Disregard that last question.

Cheers ^-^
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: bigford July 19, 2008, 10:43:54
she sure wont be nose heavy ;D ;D
looking good barry :P
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: Footski July 24, 2008, 06:59:07
Okay a little more progress has been made. The "keel" has been fitted and the hole cut ready for the prop shaft. I have included the prop which gives no ore than an idea of it's final placing. The end of the keel has been cut out ready to take the brass rudder support.

As for the superstructure, I know it seems large but it is very light. It is ready for spraying white, but not quite sure what to treat it with before paint?? Any ideas guys and galls..

Barry
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: manxman July 24, 2008, 08:48:04
Hi Barry,

The little one's looking good.
Prep ! - depends on what your intending to paint her with (please - don't say "paint")  these little girls were / are intended for fun and the opportunity to do what you like. This may be the perfect time to use up all those part used household paints you've got laying around. Everyone has a part used tin of white gloss somewhere, in which case you can use plain old undercoat (thinned down so it penetrates the wood) a couple of coats with a rub down between and the same with the gloss.  If you do use undercoat DON'T go near it with aerosols - you'll end up with orange peel / blisters.


Cheers - Ken
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: Footski July 24, 2008, 10:05:41
Hi Barry,

The little one's looking good.
Prep ! - depends on what your intending to paint her with (please - don't say "paint")  these little girls were / are intended for fun and the opportunity to do what you like. This may be the perfect time to use up all those part used household paints you've got laying around. Everyone has a part used tin of white gloss somewhere, in which case you can use plain old undercoat (thinned down so it penetrates the wood) a couple of coats with a rub down between and the same with the gloss.  If you do use undercoat DON'T go near it with aerosols - you'll end up with orange peel / blisters.


Cheers - Ken

Ken,

I have some Humbroll gloss white in aerosol format. Should I just give it a few coats of this without priming the wood first??

Barry

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: manxman July 24, 2008, 19:58:57
Hi Barry,

I'm not really the right person to answer questions on painting, as I've never painted one ! - mine are just varnished.
I would imagine it would take several coats of the aerosol to cover the joints and wood grain with it being so thin.
Suggest you try on a piece of scrap first and see how that turns out before committing to the deck houses.


Cheers - Ken
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: Footski July 24, 2008, 22:33:52
Thanks ken,

I will keep you posted..
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: Footski August 02, 2008, 07:57:06
Belay that painting......I will sort it out later.....For now, a little more done. The rudder post is in and the rudder support done. Drilled some holes in a brass block for the support and so far all is well.

The only problem I have is with the prop shaft which I ordered from red Bank models and got very quickly. Excellent service.......but noone told me we had changed to metric......so I have a decimal shaft and imperial prop and never shall the two come together....

I hope to sort this little problem out shortly.

Barry
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: mike_victoriabc August 02, 2008, 08:21:27
I try not to mix paint brands - had a few hiccups and lots of sanding with a few. Found using the auto primer with a filler in it first is a good start - it will fill the grain a bit, probably 3-4 coats outside in the sun will work. Sand it again and prime with the next level primer and then your finish colour. Seen fair results from others using this method -
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: Footski August 07, 2008, 06:18:02
Well i sorted the rudder proble out. i simply recut the thread on the prop to the right size fro the shaft.

painted up the superstructure. Followed the advise and after several coats of sanding sealer, I gave it 3 or 4 coats of matt white. Now the work starts on it.
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: Footski August 10, 2008, 00:18:41
A little detail has now been applied to the superstructure. Thanks for those letters Mike (tugs53).
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: manxman August 10, 2008, 01:27:37

That superstructure looks great Barry,
Amazing transformation, just by adding the windows & lettering has made.


Cheers - Ken
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: tugs53 August 10, 2008, 07:50:25
She looks incredible Barry :) :)   Well Done.
Glad to see the vinyl lettering is coming in handy 8)
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: Footski August 17, 2008, 06:31:01
Right,

Got the 1st hull painting done, after removing the prop shaft and securing the rudder post in place permanently. Guess what.....I couldnt get the prop shaft back in. No room from inside the boat so after much swearing and cursing I removed the rudder post, put the shaf in and replaced the rudder, without too much damage to the paintwork.

Next for the ballast test. Most of the weight is in the battery on the starboard side, so I balanced it up with anything I could find....Result....I need about a kilo of lead to ballast it. That said, DOES SHE FLOAT ON THE RIGHT PLANE??, or is she bow light?.. ADVICE WELCOME please...

She is sinking....shouts Mrs Footski, whilst I have my back turne and sure enough water is flowing in at an alarming rate......Damn, Bl$&"%y damn.....Now I will have to dry her out and cure the leak....At least I know where she is leaking from....


.....Who said this was fun??? >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
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: manxman August 17, 2008, 08:03:21

Hi Barry,

Don't know what your battery weighs ? - can you fit another in, say where the receiver is, and move that onto a small shelf ?
You also don't mention where the water is coming in from, from the prop tube - did you remember to grease it ?, or from the rudder post - raise it with an extra piece of rudder tube on top, slide a piece of next size up tube over the two and epoxy in place.

Cheers - Ken

ps - Whats happened in Malaga today, missed the news item on BBC radio2 and just caught the location ?
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: Footski August 17, 2008, 09:10:18
Ken,

The leak is on the joint between the bottom and hull sides. A little filler and plenty of paint, followed by varnish on the inside should sort it out.

As for Malaga today, it was down to ETA again. Two small explosive devices, designed to cause disruption. Unfortunately one was at the harbour at Benalmadena, which is one of our favourite places. No one hurt and minimal damage caused.

Barry
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: ronh August 18, 2008, 10:45:37
Easy for me to say, but take care all you Footski's.
Nice boat, think I will have to have a go soon at making one. Where did the name "Springer" come from and is that shape from a real ship/boat? I'm not being silly, its just that I have never heard of them before.

Ron.
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: manxman August 18, 2008, 10:52:33

Could it be from 'Jerry' - put two or more together on a lake and there'll always be a fight !
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: ronh August 20, 2008, 10:49:32
Any more photos to come Barry?

Ron.
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: Footski August 21, 2008, 02:17:05
Any more photos to come Barry?

Ron.

Yes very shortly Ron,

I have bought another battery as Manxman recommended and am moving the electrics about inside, trying to ensure none of it gets wet. Will post in the next day or so.

Barry
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: Footski August 21, 2008, 05:57:53
I have hopefully cured the leak and installed another battery. Also raised the vitals out of the bilges. Hope to get a proper water test very soon.

Barry
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: Footski August 21, 2008, 09:01:41
Just got back from its first water test. Seems to be ballasted about right and manouvres well. Under throttle I can see that water will go over the top, but the leak is no more....

The second picture shows her performing her first rescue of the poor old watering can that had fallen into the pool... 8) 8)

The video is very poor as it was shot on my phone, while trying to operate the radio at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVuoNtZHELs

Barry
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: ronh August 21, 2008, 12:14:42
Barry,

Like it very much. Are you sure it was through holding the phone and camera at the same time, and not holding a glass of something by the pool?!!? :o
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: Footski August 26, 2008, 09:44:26
Well having put the glass down for a short time...hic hic....I am well under way with the superstructure....Tomorrow she is going for a swim with Lady T, so should then be able to start the finishing touches like, spraying the upper works and deck, adding the crane lifeboat...oh, and the crew....plus anything else that takes my fancy... >:D
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: tango August 26, 2008, 12:15:30
Coming along real nice Barry, looks the part............

Mark.
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: tugs53 August 26, 2008, 16:18:20
Too Cool Barry :) :)
Well done!
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: Footski August 27, 2008, 07:31:43
Gave her a quick dip today and even with water coming over the bow she stays dry inside so I am quite pleased with that. Slight list to port was put right by moving the reciever batteries. Plenty more to do but so far so good.

I shot a little video of her on the water, only 48 seconds long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdw9Nl-0S1g

Bye for now,

Barry
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: tango August 28, 2008, 00:06:48
Hi Barry, she looks real nice on the water. What does she handle like when you 'give it some' in the turns.................Or have you not tried that yet? ;) ;) ;)

Mark.
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: Footski August 28, 2008, 01:48:23
Careful Mark.......It's like learning to drive.......very cautious at first....and then  :o :o. Give me a little time.....She goes well at ful throttle on the straight but not done the bends yet..
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: Footski September 06, 2008, 06:02:05
SHE?S FINISHED

Thats it ....done.....I have really enjoyed building her but now I have to start putting my mind to ...What's next, but don't tell Mrs Footski!!!
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: tango September 06, 2008, 06:45:57
Looks real nice Barry, superb workmanship........ It's suprising what you can build with a bit of imagination, that's why I like Springers sooooo much..


Mark
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: tugs53 September 06, 2008, 07:26:09
Awesome job Barry :) :)

Truly outstanding and innovative!!!!!!!!!
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: manxman September 06, 2008, 08:35:04
Nice one Barry,

She looks good now she's completed - what to do next ? Hmmm - how about that spot of decorating you've been promising !   ;D
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: bigford September 06, 2008, 20:22:19
:) WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW  :)

barry very cool springer
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: Puffin October 19, 2008, 20:46:42
HI FOOTSKI ; That sure is a great job you did on that tanker .  Are all thoughs springers the same basic hull .    PUFFIN
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: Footski October 19, 2008, 21:54:15
Thanks Puffin,

Yes the hulls have to conform to basic rules as in 18 inches long and 8 inches wide etc. I have a copy of the rules somewhere if you want them?

Barry
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: hama October 20, 2008, 10:51:15
Nice!  :) That must be a VSCC, Very Short Crudeoil Carrier!  ;D And why don´t you build the rest of the tanker as a push barge to use when you´re not in a springer competition? Just a thought.
Hama
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: Footski October 20, 2008, 11:36:58
Thanks Hama,

Probably because I have nowhere to push it around. Any way the Springer is scheduled to live in France with my grand son at some time in the next couple of months or so.

Barry
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: Puffin October 20, 2008, 13:10:09
HI FOOTSKI ; I would like to biuld one as I have so many spare parts around . Can you put in a "Z"  drive or does it have to be a fixed prop and arudder .  PUFFIN
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: Footski October 20, 2008, 22:16:52
Puffin,

You can use whatever you like to power it. The rules apply to the hull size so no problem with a Z drive..
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: manxman October 21, 2008, 04:06:32
Sorry Barry, but your wrong - there are rules !

1,  Rudder to be no bigger than 4 square inches (100mm)
2,  Battery power to be no more than 6v to the motor
3,  Motor must not be used to steer the boat
4,  No Kortz knozzles allowed

These will only apply if you intend to enter any competitions, there are a few more rules but can't remember them off hand.
How ever if you are building a freestyle boat, then anything goes


Cheers - Ken
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: Footski October 21, 2008, 04:33:46
Ken,

Don't be sorry, we all live a nd learn and of course you are quite right. Sorry for the duff info Puffin. :o :o :o

I have attached a copy of the rules and a plan for Puffins use....or anyone elses for that matter..

Barry
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: tugs53 October 21, 2008, 16:05:21
Is there a limit to the size of the motor??
I have a spare 1000, doing nothing on a shelf....hmmmmmmmmmm!!
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: Puffin October 21, 2008, 16:16:35
HI MIKE ; I could cut out two on the band saw just as easy as one if you wanted one MIKE ? PUFFIN
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: tugs53 October 21, 2008, 16:21:25
Tempting Glen...very tempting, I just have so much to do on my 'Royal' build, and not a lot of spare time.

Appreciate the offer though. :) :)
 If only I was retired......... ;D
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: manxman October 21, 2008, 22:54:08
Hi Mike,

Yes and NO - If you're thinking of entering competitions you're restricted to no bigger than a 540, how ever if you're just going to use it as a fun boat, and this is what the Springers are all about - FUN - then chuck a V-6 engine in there an enjoy yourself.

Have a look at Footski's reply above, he's posted drawings and rules. You may have to save them first before opening them.


Cheers - Ken
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: Footski October 21, 2008, 23:21:45
Springers are all about - FUN - then chuck a V-6 engine in there an enjoy yourself.


Don't tell him that Ken......He just might do it.. ;D ;D
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: tango October 22, 2008, 02:03:24
Hi Mike, the hull design pretty much restricts what power your motor has, the hull tends to push quite a large bow wave in front of it and the water cannot escape fast enough, so the faster you go with a more powerful motor, the more water is pushed up in front of the bow and then the model starts to behave like a submarine. All of our springers behave in the same way but as long as you build the coaming quite high and have a reasonably tight fitting top you won't have any problems.

Mark.
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: tugs53 October 22, 2008, 02:56:37
OK, I've changed my mind.
Heck......I'm gonna build one as it sounds like way too much fun, both to build and to run.

Glen:  Go ahead and cut one out for me please, and we'll do some 'horse-trading', if you're into it!

Nothing like two models on the bench huh??
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: ray28507 October 22, 2008, 03:54:09
 good to hear 'youve' got the 'springer' bug    tugs ;D :) ;) :D 8)
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: mike_victoriabc October 22, 2008, 05:09:52
Hi Mike
Just cut two out as well using some recycled bits and pieces of ply from up island. G-2'd them together and both need a tweak with sanding. Discovered though that G-2 isn't for use in the house if you expect meals occasionally! When I get a minute I'll post a couple of photos. Have the template if you need it.