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MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« on: March 16, 2014, 01:06:41 »
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MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°

 SEAPOD The realistic pod, z-drive or Schottel control for scaled models

 · Pre-wired, no connection mistakes
 · Uses the electronic of the remote control
 · Can be steered with two fingers
 · Only one stick to control everything: thrust/rotation
 · Suitable for every types of remote control (exept pistols
 · Suitable for every types of motors : brushed/brushless
 · Suitable for every variators/controllers
 · Initialize automatically when the remote control starts: stop engine, steering at 0°
 · The pod steers exactly at the speed ordered by the remote control
 · The pod reacts exactly to the degree, according to the stick orientation
 · 360 degree rotation any direction, as many times as ordered
 · Fine tuning of the throttle without releasing the stick
 · The pod stays at the last order information given while waiting for a new order
 · Minimum volume: 5cm*5cm (1.97 in*1.97 in)
 · Warranty by replacement based on the date engraved on the case
 · Price clearly under the competition
 · This system is equipped with a BEC crossing(spending) 1,5 Ampère
 He(It) is totally tight in the dust and in the water


 Amateur video of the prototype

SEAPOD : Orientation d'un pod de navigation sur 360° (0 min 38 sec)

http://youtu.be/kM7zekqxkwA
 


 The complete assy is delivered with detailed plans and instructions in English
 Please feel free to ask questions in this forum In English language, we shall answer in English language

 


 
   
« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 03:04:12 by pinpinfou »

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2014, 23:24:34 »
Looks interesting, but would be nice with some more information like photos of the unit, what is included, price etc.

The video looks like the Graupner drive, will it be possible to control other drives? How is steering achieved, modified servo, steering motor, stepper motor? What sort of drive position holding force in relation to the stick is available? The control stick is modified, is this also included/add on and will it fit other type of radios?

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2014, 12:48:49 »
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Operating instructions are clearly detailed.
Any motor can be used for swiveling the pod.
Easy to select the gear ratio (i.e : 27/1 reduced engine)
> Possibility to use ,your own variator or speed controler
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> For cost consideration, no special step by step management card for the motor is required.
No additional motor is required. The reducing gear of the main one managing all (more reliable).
> Suitable with any type of pod.The video shows a Graupner type. 

Pod rotation and propeller speed  controls are on the same joystick.
Swinging the joystick around ,swivels the pod. An additional kob on top of the joystick manages the speed of the propeller .
 
Choice of two options for controling the pod rotation and propeller RPM are available:
Option one: one joystick for swiveling + one joystick for propeller RPM.
Option two : Both swiveling and propeller RPM controls are on the same joystick.


Pod rotation.
The pod executes exactly the order sent from the joystick and stands in the ordered position.
i.e : the stick position is at 241 °= the pod is at 241 °.
Move the joystick by 1° = the pod rotates by 1° .
Release the handle the pod stays in 242 °
> The pod swivels at the same speed as the joystick, thus allowing a quick reaction.

Throttle control options:
-Either dedicated channel on the RC .
or
- Using the keyed cable joystick supplied in the kit, to replace the one in place.
ID of the adaptator = 5 mm.

Parts supplied:
-Plug-in + Joystick + RC control adaptor
-Plug-in + Joystick + RC control adaptor + motor for swiveling.

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2014, 18:29:16 »
I'm interested

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2014, 00:19:06 »
PRICE ?
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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2014, 02:06:09 »
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It is not for sale at the moment, but it will be the cheapest of the market

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2014, 05:45:20 »
This solution looks to be moving in the right direction ( pun intended )!

Just being cheapest is not the most important....it has to work.

Like being at sea you sometimes do not get a second chance and cheap won't do. Think any tug captian will agree.

Look forward to further information and costings too.

Hayden
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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2014, 06:17:30 »
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Yes VANYA you are right, the cheapest is not still best.
 What interests the designers it is to put of the material performing within the reach of modeller's largest number.
What interests the designers it is the ease of installation.

Videos next week

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2014, 03:24:07 »
Hi can anyone help with my question ?  I love the idea of the pod controls and good 360 degree thrusters.  But how do you ever know which way the boat is going to go if the control lever gets moved after you have morred the craft ?  ie, somebody starts rotating the lever. Are we likley to go bashing into other boats until we find forward again ?   Thank you , Brian. :)

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2014, 09:08:11 »
On a real ship the "control stick" reflects the position of the thruster at anytime.

When turning the controls you're not saying "add 30° from current angle" but ordering it to go to  - say - position 90° (let's say 0° is thurster pointing to stern, 90° would mean "right/starboard").

This requires an actuator (move stuff) and a feedback device (where am I ? do I need to rotate further ?).

You could implement the same behavior on an RC ship for example with a stepper motor (actuator) and rotary encoder (feedback device).
Maybe pinpinfou's system relies on such devices.

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2014, 09:59:02 »
The system is not mine, but the one that makes a group of friends engineers

I am going to install two systems on my EDDA FONN

 It is an ordinary engine réducté 27/1 which assures the rotation of the pod.

There is no step by step engine which would ask for a special card, thus for a higher price.

It is much cheaper and less fragile than a servo-motor.

The stick of order indicates exactly the position of the pod.

 The pod stays in the last position indicated by the stick.

When you release the handle he keeps(guards) the position


 The pod stays in the last position indicated by the stick


The installation of the system is very simple, a child can make her

Every grip(taking) is different,
with a different security
and a protection against the errors of connections and surge


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVPe5cZal6w



« Last Edit: March 20, 2014, 10:09:45 by pinpinfou »

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2014, 10:31:16 »
Thank you , seems a bit clearer now. I think. Brian. ;)

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2014, 13:01:42 »
Pinpinfou.

Looking at the two axis stick ( FWD-REV, Left-Right)  which is standard Rc configuration,is there an electrical component that can replace the control stick assembly??

Essentially you are requiring a circular motion but using a two axis movement but constrained by a acrylic cover guide to make circular motion. Is there another solution for this component?

Caliph,

I think that you find that as long as you understand the function of the sticks and there relation to the position of the thrust, if the sticks are disturbed they will move to the assigned location after receiving a signal from the TX on start-up. In real life the thrusters are positioned to thrust in the full port and starboard direction at shutdown so as to not give any surprises on clutching in.

It is also possible i can see to move the thrusters without any power on.

They can be fun to operate but just like model helicopters it becomes second nature after a while.

Hayden
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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2014, 13:22:40 »
Vanya Hi, Yes I have it now so once you have moored they can both be moved to thrust sideways ready for start up. As real ones. Thank you. B cool

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2014, 01:40:44 »
Caliph.

If you take a look at the website below you can see some tug simulation software and hardware

Nautissim.com

They are neat wee thruster controllers. I am sure something can be made to fit a RC unit.

Hayden
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