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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2014, 01:51:30 »
Caliph.

You might like this.


http://youtu.be/YFiIKXL_lOo
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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2014, 05:54:49 »
Thank you B ;)

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2014, 05:47:57 »
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Hello

Here is a photo of the module SEAPOD



The green led indicates the switched on, the red led indicates a low(weak) battery(drum kit).

for Tug ASD or SDM
« Last Edit: March 28, 2014, 07:17:35 by pinpinfou »

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2014, 04:37:28 »
Looks very interesting!

I wonder if it would be possible to use a position sensor in the remote control as well, in order to control the orientation like on the real full size controls, as it looks to me like moving the stick and rotating it at the same time for fine manoeuvring might be more difficult?

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2014, 07:56:08 »

Look at this video

Is it so difficult?

Http: // www.youtube.com / watch? V=tVPe5cZal6w

Why want to be made as a real boat?

What is important is: the boat reacts as the real boat.

If you make of the model plane have you pedals on your transmitter ?

If you make of the helicopter small-scale model have you a stick between legs and pedals on your transmitter ?

The purpose of this module is to make the maximun for a minimun of currency . He(it) is delivered totally cabled, built with components top of the range.

There is no intervention to be executed on the module, it is plug and play

We are at your disposal for any questions

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« Last Edit: March 30, 2014, 08:02:36 by pinpinfou »

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2014, 10:48:48 »

Look at this video

Is it so difficult?

Http: // www.youtube.com / watch? V=tVPe5cZal6w

Why want to be made as a real boat?

What is important is: the boat reacts as the real boat.

If you make of the model plane have you pedals on your transmitter ?

If you make of the helicopter small-scale model have you a stick between legs and pedals on your transmitter ?

The purpose of this module is to make the maximun for a minimun of currency . He(it) is delivered totally cabled, built with components top of the range.

There is no intervention to be executed on the module, it is plug and play

We are at your disposal for any questions

best regards

Jean-Pierre/Pinpinfou.

I guess I just like things to be as close to the real thing as possible and they also made the real joysticks that way for a reason. I am in no doubt your system works great, but I am wondering if the throttle control will get your index finger tired after an hour of fine manoeuvring with many zero to full throttle and back?

Probable it is just me that would like a control as close to the real thing as possible :)

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2014, 11:11:45 »
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Hello MARTIN

The index makes turn the speed variator in the slippery above on a beach of 90 °

If you stay full speed one hour you can not touch the speed variator.

But one hour without drinking it is a lot.

We would have been able to imitate the real order, but which would have bought this order?
She would have cost many currency , and it would have been voluminous

I call back : we want the maximum of realism in the reactions of the boat, the maximum quality, for a moderate price.

We negotiate with the suppliers to obtain STILL, the best prices(prizes).

And we want to guarantee a smooth running without breakdown

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2014, 16:24:38 »
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Hello MARTIN

The index makes turn the speed variator in the slippery above on a beach of 90 °

If you stay full speed one hour you can not touch the speed variator.

But one hour without drinking it is a lot.

We would have been able to imitate the real order, but which would have bought this order?
She would have cost many currency , and it would have been voluminous

I call back : we want the maximum of realism in the reactions of the boat, the maximum quality, for a moderate price.

We negotiate with the suppliers to obtain STILL, the best prices(prizes).

And we want to guarantee a smooth running without breakdown

best regards

I would buy an imitation of the real system ;) You system looks good though and I look forward to seeing more info on it! :) My only concern is in the throttle control, but of course the price is a very important issue in this respect :)

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2014, 19:31:58 »
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Hello MARTIN

Say I exactly what you wish.

We shall make every effort for your pleasure.

We want a product of high quality, very reliable

Do not worry about the price (prize), it will be reasonable, we are designers, not financiers.

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2014, 08:01:07 »
Hi Martin,

look here for a steering System : www.imth.de

for more Information : http://www.imth.de/downloads/SST1_BDA_V1_3_eng.pdf

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2014, 08:43:01 »
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Hello Marc

This system looks very well;

However it is necessary to make many welds to connect all the électrics cords
There is a risk of destroying the card

It is necessary to cut the card in two there is another risk of destroying the card

It is necessary to place the magnet very exactly at the right place

It is necessary to have made big studies to run him in .........

All this is not easy.

The SEAPOD is plug and play


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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2014, 02:55:59 »
Hi Martin,

look here for a steering System : www.imth.de

for more Information : http://www.imth.de/downloads/SST1_BDA_V1_3_eng.pdf

best regards

Marc

Hi Marc,

Your system also looks good, but a bit more complicated technically. What I am really looking for is a controller more like the ones on the real vessels where you rotate the joystick for direction and manipulate a lever for throttle. Maybe it is overkill, but that's how I would like it :)

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2014, 07:02:04 »
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Hello

The SEAPOD in the mode 2 is as you ask for it. The tests by designers are in progress.

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2014, 07:42:40 »
Quote from: pinpinfou
However it is necessary to make many welds to connect all the électrics cords
There is a risk of destroying the card

Gives more flexibility in terms of actual installation in boat.

Quote from: pinpinfou
It is necessary to cut the card in two there is another risk of destroying the card

It is necessary to place the magnet very exactly at the right place

Well your systems also has a position sensor (just like any system will require) which will also require some work to implement (unless you constrain the way your whole system must be installed)

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It is necessary to have made big studies to run him in .........

I took a quick look at IMTH system's documentation. Haven't seen anything complicated:
- physical installation which is always going to be boat specific
- calibration
- features selection through dipswitches

I assume once documentation for you system will be complete it will also take 15+ pages.

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The SEAPOD is plug and play

I understand you're enthusiastic about your project but "plug and play" and obscure/boutique RC controls rarely fit in the same sentence.

In both systems I like the way sticks are used to emulate angle. I think Martin's idea of "inferring" throttle amount from stick position. It seems somehow closer to real systems and it saves one channel per pod. Well these days you can get 18ch S-Bus systems form less than $200; number of channel is not as big an issue as it was in the past but still.

The "slave" feature on the IMTH system is also neat.

I was looking for a simpler solution with less hardware: using 360° servos (which would give -180/+180 but not true continuous rotation). Use a single stick axis (left-right) per pod. And a slider for throttle.
Using a single-axis stick to manage a -180/+180 pod is nowhere near your or Martin's systems feeling, of course.

With OpenTX-based TXs like the FrSky Taranis X9D+ (which has two sliders on the side ha ha !) you can easily program multiple modes of operation (slow down servos, restrict to -90/+90, control multiple pods from single stick). You might even be able to emulate 360° operation using two stick axes per pod.

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Re: MANAGEMENT OF PODS , Z-DRIVE or SCHOTTEL ON 360°
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2014, 01:02:43 »
And here is one of my both SEAPOD ready to be installed(settled) in the boat.
I connect three grips
I connect the engine of positioning
I connect batteries

And here is