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GaryM

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TID what's it stand for?
« on: June 18, 2008, 14:22:36 »
Hi I've read in previous posts the abbrieviation TID and wondered exactly what it meant.
I posted on Mayhem and it seems that the true meaning has been lost with time, yet someone some where must know the true meaning.
Here's what I've found out so far.

"It's been bugging me!   It's a well known abbreviation, yet no one seems to know the exact meaning or how it got there.

I've had a brief search and the true meaning of TID seems allusive, as Bob said, but there must be a definitive answer. 
So far I've come up with,

Latin 'ter in die' three times a day.

"The T.I.D. class tug was designed to quickly and cheaply replace tugs lost through enemy action during World War II. Suitable vessels were also needed to support the preparations for the invasion of France.
The origin of the 'TID' abbreviation remains uncertain with interpretations varying from; 'Tug Invasion Duty' to 'Tug in Dock' to 'Tug Intermediate Design' to 'Tiddler'."  (Bob)

"The TID Story - "One Tug Per Week"
In 1943 the Ministry of War Transport decided to introduce a new class of tug. Urgent demands were made for small tugs for harbour and dock work, and to support the impending invasion preparations. The terse statement made to satisfy the needs was simple:"

"Design, organise and start work immediately toward achieving, in the shortest possible time, the delivery of one tug per week, using in the process, little or no shipyard labour."

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Initially, contracts for making the units were awarded to

William Neill Ltd.
Foster Yates and Thom,
R.Dempster and Sons,
Charles Roberts and Co. Ltd.,
Newton Chambers and Co. Ltd.

The original order was for twelve tugs to be constructed, but when this was increased to fifty, Dunstons allocated the work so that two companies were responsible for making each section. This meant that supplies were assured if enemy bombing put one company out of business.

It makes me wonder if the name was an affectionate (or not) nick name with regards to

the way it was constructed.
the intended use.
the speed to which it was built.
a nick name given due to the 'lack of labour' used.
is TID a local word from Yorkshire.

I wonder when the name TID was given to it.  At the time? (1942 / 3) or at a later date?
Does any one recall the name being used in 1943?"

anyone have any idea's?

regards
Gary :)
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2008, 23:01:18 »
Does any one recall the name being used in 1943?

Only 65 years ago....Tugmaster will remember..... >:D

Garm....I did the same research and got the same answers...Nothing definitive I am afraid!!
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 00:50:48 »
One name i heard was , Tug inshore deffence ?.
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 04:56:06 »
Hi
According to the guys on Tugtalk there are 11 versions or meanings
for TID,
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 06:50:07 »
One name i heard was , Tug inshore deffence ?.
Terry.

That's the one I vote for!
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 17:54:18 »
And here is the correct answer:TID-class (numbered from 1 to 183, no nr 13) (T.I.D.=Tug,Inshore and Dock). My grandfather was a greek imigrant, and a shipwright. He does suffer from slight dimensia, (He does seem to remember his days building ships for the war effort very well it seems), however, and he steadfastidly confirms this designation. Now, if the family can just figure out how many years past 100 he is, as there are no birth records!
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 18:02:57 »
Here's the link:http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=6198
Quite an interesting and informative site. Go to thread #8.
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 15:29:04 »
Thanks all; Captain Jack.
Thanks:
Barry, Terry, Martin, Tugs53 and Captain Jack.

Do you think TID was an "affecionate" name given for the tugs at that time, and was not a name given by the designers, builders or other? 
Due to the various explenations?

It just seems strange the use of the word / abbeviation TID is commonplace and there is no traceble explanation - and I would not for one second question ANY of the replies given, it just seems there are more than one.

Thanks for the link Captain Jack, I'll have a look.

regards
Gary :)
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2008, 15:47:28 »
there are a couple on hear

The origin of the 'TID' abbreviation remains uncertain with interpretations varying from; 'Tug Invasion Duty' to 'Tug in Dock' to 'Tug Intermediate Design' to 'Tiddler'.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~tidtug/index.htm

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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2008, 16:00:36 »
Thanks HS93

Gary :)
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 08:29:23 »
We at the TID164 here in Chatham arn't sure either, there are several different " official " versions of the letters T.I.D such as :
Towing Invasion Duties
Tug Invasion Duty
Tug Inshore Defence
Tug Inshore Duties
Tug Inshore and Dock
Tug In Dock
Tug Intermediate Design
Tug Inland Distribution
Temporary Invasion Design

so take your pick !

check out the TID164 website for more details and history.

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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2008, 14:03:52 »
Here's mine Built from photos of the Chatham TID


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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2008, 23:58:53 »
A happy looking Stavros there. I am not surprised :) :)
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2008, 07:28:50 »
   
    :) :)Fine looking Tug :) :)

Certainly a 'happy camper' in the skiff too :)
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Re: TID what's it stand for?
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2008, 10:41:25 »
Herewith a model built by one of our members in 1976.

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